All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.Genuinely clueless post. Robertson does not have any involvement with the backs specifically. Goodman is the Crusaders 'position specific coach' who works with mainly the outside backs, but also the midfield. Scott Hansen is the current inside backs coach, Mooar in previous years. Scott Hansen works individually with Mo'unga and Havili on the technical areas of their game, Razor is not involved at all.
Razor has always been a defence & breakdown specialist, that's been his specialized coaching area since ~2008/2009 seasons.
According to some former players I've talked to Razor is a rugby genius, and with regards to his attention to detail, planning & tactical aspects, Robertson is up there with Wayne Smith and most certainly ahead of Robbie Deans.
Wyatt Crockett's playing career overlapped with Deans, Henry, Smith, Hansen & Razor, in various coaching roles between 2006-2017.
According to him, Razor and Wayne Smith were the 2 standout coaches among that prestigious group.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.Genuinely clueless post. Robertson does not have any involvement with the backs specifically. Goodman is the Crusaders 'position specific coach' who works with mainly the backline players , including Havili, Jordan, etc.. Scott Hansen is the current inside backs coach, Mooar in previous years. Scott Hansen works individually with Mo'unga and Havili on the technical areas of their game, Razor is not involved at all.
Razor has always been a defence & breakdown specialist, that's been his specialty coaching area since around ~2008.
According to some former players I've talked to Razor is a rugby genius, and with regards to his attention to detail, planning & tactical aspects, Robertson is up there with Wayne Smith and most certainly ahead of Robbie Deans.
Wyatt Crockett's playing overlapped with Deans, Henry, Smith, Hansen & Razor, in various coaching roles between 2006-2017.
According to him, Razor and Wayne Smith were the standout coaches among that prestigious group.
Great Post and very True any ex players you talk rate Razor very highly, even the players under him in the NZ under 20's.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.I would be looking at Joseph and Brown to take the reins to be honest. Joseph's speciality is hard nosed forward packs and Brown is the creative thinker that our backs need.
Well Razor does not coach against Ireland or international teams even though he is not the Crusaders back coach its not his job.
Doesn't that fall on the current coaching staff who are supposed to be getting the players ready to play international teams,Sorting out tactics etc or are they just there for a holiday its seems like the latter Fucking useless.
Razor is coaching in an environment to defeat NZ and Australian teams and SA earlier which he had great success with.
He is not there to do AB's coaching job for them because they don't have a clue. -
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Speaking of which, if Robertson was AB Coach, (a whatif indeed) I wonder who he'd pick as midfield..
Imagine the improvement Robertson would get out of George Bridge....
Not sure if you are serious but yes.
I think we would see most marked improvement out of Mounga. -
@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble true but I like going forward.
Ireland exposed the outside edge of NZs defence several times on Saturday to make good ground and get into the 22. As much as the defensive effort to repel them on the goal line was exceptional at times, questions need to be asked as to why Ireland were able to get there in the first place. Doris try aside (where Taylor missed his man), it was the AB backline defence that was caught out, not necessarily Ireland going up the guts.
Irish forward interpassing was exceptional at times. V ABesque I'd say. The changing of the point of attack was very good. Ireland and France probably have the 2 best set of ball playing front rows going right now, with the Boks not far behind. Ireland have also moved to a 1-3-2-2 attack formation under Mike Catt. It has taken 2 years, but it was highly effective on Saturday. This was the attacking shape the Japanese used in the world cup to shock the Irish. It had an impact on them that they have learned from and used to their advantage.
Good to see someone else reads Murray Kinsella. Borderline you need to include references at the end of your posts to avoid ye olde plagiarism
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@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.I would be looking at Joseph and Brown to take the reins to be honest. Joseph's speciality is hard nosed forward packs and Brown is the creative thinker that our backs need.
Well Razor does not coach against Ireland or international teams even though he is not the Crusaders back coach its not his job.
Doesn't that fall on the current coaching staff who are supposed to be getting the players ready to play international teams,Sorting out tactics etc or are they just there for a holiday its seems like the latter Fucking useless.
Razor is coaching in an environment to defeat NZ and Australian teams and SA earlier which he had great success with.
He is not there to do AB's coaching job for them because they don't have a clue.I’m not talking about specific tactics against specific teams. I’m talking about a player that gets close to panic when put under pressure. He doesn’t adjust or take control and drive the team around he just hoofs it back
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I'm not expecting players to come into the All Blacks environment all prepared to play at the highest level, but there are players with considerable work-ons to be considered effective Test players.
I'm happy to see Tupaea starting if for no other reason than he looks like a second five eighth. During the golden era we were blessed with two variously skilled players who could bend the line at will. Currently we don't seem to have one that can simply run hard.
As Ted used to say; a big fast man will beat a small fast man. If Jordie hadn't cemented himself as fullback, it could've been an opportunity to use him there.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.I would be looking at Joseph and Brown to take the reins to be honest. Joseph's speciality is hard nosed forward packs and Brown is the creative thinker that our backs need.
Well Razor does not coach against Ireland or international teams even though he is not the Crusaders back coach its not his job.
Doesn't that fall on the current coaching staff who are supposed to be getting the players ready to play international teams,Sorting out tactics etc or are they just there for a holiday its seems like the latter Fucking useless.
Razor is coaching in an environment to defeat NZ and Australian teams and SA earlier which he had great success with.
He is not there to do AB's coaching job for them because they don't have a clue.I’m not talking about specific tactics against specific teams. I’m talking about a player that gets close to panic when put under pressure. He doesn’t adjust or take control and drive the team around he just hoofs it back
Is it not the AB's Coaching job to help him,Or JB and BB for hooving it down the middle of the park all the time v Ireland when we only had 39% of the ball.
They don't normally all play that way under pressure under other coaching units. -
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.I would be looking at Joseph and Brown to take the reins to be honest. Joseph's speciality is hard nosed forward packs and Brown is the creative thinker that our backs need.
Well Razor does not coach against Ireland or international teams even though he is not the Crusaders back coach its not his job.
Doesn't that fall on the current coaching staff who are supposed to be getting the players ready to play international teams,Sorting out tactics etc or are they just there for a holiday its seems like the latter Fucking useless.
Razor is coaching in an environment to defeat NZ and Australian teams and SA earlier which he had great success with.
He is not there to do AB's coaching job for them because they don't have a clue.I’m not talking about specific tactics against specific teams. I’m talking about a player that gets close to panic when put under pressure. He doesn’t adjust or take control and drive the team around he just hoofs it back
Is it not the AB's Coaching job to help him,Or JB and BB for hooving it down the middle of the park all the time v Ireland when we only had 39% of the ball.
They don't normally all play that way under pressure under other coaching units.You’re kind of missing the point which was that players already under Razors overall tutelage haven’t developed skills to play at the highest level. Therefore why do we think he will do only when he reaches that level?
If we can see RMs obvious test weaknesses then surely Razor can.
Yes his job is at the level down but he still has overall responsibility to make his players the best they can be (or direct his assistants too).
I’d take Cruden over RM. -
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.I would be looking at Joseph and Brown to take the reins to be honest. Joseph's speciality is hard nosed forward packs and Brown is the creative thinker that our backs need.
Well Razor does not coach against Ireland or international teams even though he is not the Crusaders back coach its not his job.
Doesn't that fall on the current coaching staff who are supposed to be getting the players ready to play international teams,Sorting out tactics etc or are they just there for a holiday its seems like the latter Fucking useless.
Razor is coaching in an environment to defeat NZ and Australian teams and SA earlier which he had great success with.
He is not there to do AB's coaching job for them because they don't have a clue.I’m not talking about specific tactics against specific teams. I’m talking about a player that gets close to panic when put under pressure. He doesn’t adjust or take control and drive the team around he just hoofs it back
Is it not the AB's Coaching job to help him,Or JB and BB for hooving it down the middle of the park all the time v Ireland when we only had 39% of the ball.
They don't normally all play that way under pressure under other coaching units.You’re kind of missing the point which was that players already under Razors overall tutelage haven’t developed skills to play at the highest level. Therefore why do we think he will do only when he reaches that level?
If we can see RMs obvious test weaknesses then surely Razor can.
Yes his job is at the level down but he still has overall responsibility to make his players the best they can be (or direct his assistants too).
I’d take Cruden over RM.But RM performs great under Razor in the environment he is coaching in.You can't really expect Razor to coach RM to play at a different level thats the AB coaching job.
Its not his job Razors job is to get RM performing well in his environment and hes brilliant under Razor.
You can't coach a player for a different level when you are coaching at a different level against teams who play differently.Otherwise you are not doing the job you are being paid for. -
@billy-tell said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble true but I like going forward.
Ireland exposed the outside edge of NZs defence several times on Saturday to make good ground and get into the 22. As much as the defensive effort to repel them on the goal line was exceptional at times, questions need to be asked as to why Ireland were able to get there in the first place. Doris try aside (where Taylor missed his man), it was the AB backline defence that was caught out, not necessarily Ireland going up the guts.
Irish forward interpassing was exceptional at times. V ABesque I'd say. The changing of the point of attack was very good. Ireland and France probably have the 2 best set of ball playing front rows going right now, with the Boks not far behind. Ireland have also moved to a 1-3-2-2 attack formation under Mike Catt. It has taken 2 years, but it was highly effective on Saturday. This was the attacking shape the Japanese used in the world cup to shock the Irish. It had an impact on them that they have learned from and used to their advantage.
Good to see someone else reads Murray Kinsella. Borderline you need to include references at the end of your posts to avoid ye olde plagiarism
Love Murray's analysis. Charlie Morgan and Ekrugbyanalysis too. It was this piece that prompted my post:
The evolving Ireland attack that England face: Jordan Larmour, a 1-3-2-2 formation and foundations laid by Joe Schmidt
Ireland are already showing signs of progress under Andy Farrell and Mike Catt
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And this one from Mr Kinsella
Ireland's offloads, Furlong the playmaker, and 1-3-2-2 attack shape
Andy Farrell’s side scored nine tries as they dismantled Japan in Dublin.
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@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.I would be looking at Joseph and Brown to take the reins to be honest. Joseph's speciality is hard nosed forward packs and Brown is the creative thinker that our backs need.
Well Razor does not coach against Ireland or international teams even though he is not the Crusaders back coach its not his job.
Doesn't that fall on the current coaching staff who are supposed to be getting the players ready to play international teams,Sorting out tactics etc or are they just there for a holiday its seems like the latter Fucking useless.
Razor is coaching in an environment to defeat NZ and Australian teams and SA earlier which he had great success with.
He is not there to do AB's coaching job for them because they don't have a clue.I’m not talking about specific tactics against specific teams. I’m talking about a player that gets close to panic when put under pressure. He doesn’t adjust or take control and drive the team around he just hoofs it back
Is it not the AB's Coaching job to help him,Or JB and BB for hooving it down the middle of the park all the time v Ireland when we only had 39% of the ball.
They don't normally all play that way under pressure under other coaching units.You’re kind of missing the point which was that players already under Razors overall tutelage haven’t developed skills to play at the highest level. Therefore why do we think he will do only when he reaches that level?
If we can see RMs obvious test weaknesses then surely Razor can.
Yes his job is at the level down but he still has overall responsibility to make his players the best they can be (or direct his assistants too).
I’d take Cruden over RM.But RM performs great under Razor in the environment he is coaching in.You can't really expect Razor to coach RM to play at a different level thats the AB coaching job.
Its not his job Razors job is to get RM performing well in his environment and hes brilliant under Razor.
You can't coach a player for a different level when you are coaching at a different level against teams who play differently.Otherwise you are not doing the job you are being paid for.So the coach only coaches to the level of the competition and doesn’t coach the players to be the best they can be?
No wonder we are going backwards. -
I truly believe the cattle we have if coached well, with good tactics could play far better then we have been.
I do truly wonder if the players think Fozzie is a bit of a goose and have lost faith in him.
One of Razors biggest strengths is his player relationships and the fact the players are committed to him and his vision.
If we can't match it with the best of the north it's not a player issue but a coaching one.
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Razor's coaching areas of technical expertise has primarily consisted of the forwards/breakdown and defense.
By all accounts he's world class in those specialist areas, in addition to being an excellent selector, man-manager and strategist.
Like I said previously, Wyatt Crockett played under all of Deans, Henry, Smith, Hansen & Robertson (at various stages) and he singled out Razor and Smithy as the 2 standout coaches among that group.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble true but I like going forward.
Ireland exposed the outside edge of NZs defence several times on Saturday to make good ground and get into the 22. As much as the defensive effort to repel them on the goal line was exceptional at times, questions need to be asked as to why Ireland were able to get there in the first place. Doris try aside (where Taylor missed his man), it was the AB backline defence that was caught out, not necessarily Ireland going up the guts.
Irish forward interpassing was exceptional at times. V ABesque I'd say. The changing of the point of attack was very good. Ireland and France probably have the 2 best set of ball playing front rows going right now, with the Boks not far behind. Ireland have also moved to a 1-3-2-2 attack formation under Mike Catt. It has taken 2 years, but it was highly effective on Saturday. This was the attacking shape the Japanese used in the world cup to shock the Irish. It had an impact on them that they have learned from and used to their advantage.
Good to see someone else reads Murray Kinsella. Borderline you need to include references at the end of your posts to avoid ye olde plagiarism
I think the reason I brought this up is because Brown implemented this with Japan. It suited the players Japan have at their disposal.
When people talk about whether changing the coaching would work, a change of approach for Ireland has reaped benefits. It helps that a large core of them play for Leinster too, so they have a high starting base in terms of combinations.
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The issue with starting Ethan Blackadder in the All Blacks' back row
Blackadder is not the finished product, and isn't expected to be, but, in that respect, the hype needs to be dampened considerably.
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A year or so I go I said I thought the future AB midfield will be Jordie and Rieko. Well, the future is now, time to pair them up and watch them tear the French to shreds.
