Scotland v Australia 2021
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@sparky said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
Watching the replay and saw this. Totally agree that it didn't warrant a card because the contact was marginal. Also noticed that Hooper crawled to the try line, so the try should have been ruled out anyway.
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
gee that first Scot try is very dodgy. Looks for all money like the ball is transferred back well before any contact.
If the refs had a better angle then all good, but that replay looks like obstruction.
It's a confusing one but which part do you think is obstruction?
As I see it the ball is transferred from the catcher in a different pod so the new group doesn't join back - no obstruction.
The new group takes the ball with the leading man and (probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
However I thought there was now a law banning pre-binding? That group was set up to drive before catching the ball it looks like. -
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
Fair enough. I will try and find another clip.
My theory on pre binding is wrong. They were quite careful not to do that. Well rehearsed.
Edit: This clip clearer. Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
Refs review it and you can vaguely hear them but I think they are watching the end on clip when the first lineout shot shows both fouls clearly.50 seconds in.
This is the sequence as it was reviewed. They believe that 5 kept hands on ball after transferring and didn't let go until contact. Fair enough fro this view 29 minutes in
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@stargazer said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@sparky said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
Watching the replay and saw this. Totally agree that it didn't warrant a card because the contact was marginal. Also noticed that Hooper crawled to the try line, so the try should have been ruled out anyway.
Yep, that looked obvious.
What is the latest law on front row subs? I know that Maloney mentioned it in the commentary and I was thinking the same thing. Rather than move Slipper to TH, where he struggled, why not just opt for the non-contested scrums to avoid any further scrum penalties? In the end Alaalatoa came back on.
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@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
That's what I was meaning. It was meant to stop the tactic of passing to a man with another already locked on to charge forward into contact. To me this is exactly what has happened here.
One of the big failures with the TMO system is that they get fixated on one aspect and forget to look at others.A common one in that regard is low tackles on the try line around the head/neck. Obvious when looking at the whole picture instead of just at the grounding. -
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
That's what I was meaning. It was meant to stop the tactic of passing to a man with another already locked on to charge forward into contact. To me this is exactly what has happened here.
Watching Fainga'a hit one of the Scottish props from the side of the pod bears that out.
I'm nearly finished watching the match. Scots were very canny in the scrum and got away with a bit, but Poite got stiff by his AR on the scrum that handed Scotland back the lead. If Bell's bind was "underneath", then so was Fagerson's.
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Overall, as I suspected, we were dumb as fuck at crucial points.
Early offload/flick from Ikitau when we turned them over inside their quarter. Dumb brain from Wright continually to offset his good stuff.
JOC missing touch at the end. In the same position, the Boks would kick to touch - even for 15m - get a maul penalty.
Then kick to touch again, and get a maul penalty. Kick a goal. That's what we're missing in this game.
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Overall, as I suspected, we were dumb as fuck at crucial points.
Early offload/flick from Ikitau when we turned them over inside their quarter. Dumb brain from Wright continually to offset his good stuff.
JOC missing touch at the end. In the same position, the Boks would kick to touch - even for 15m - get a maul penalty.
Then kick to touch again, and get a maul penalty. Kick a goal. That's what we're missing in this game.
Yup that was pretty much how I saw it too. Frustrating to watch. That Ikitau blind offload when the Scots were at 6s and 7s had me head-butting the table
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@gibbon-rib said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
That Ikitau blind offload when the Scots were at 6s and 7s had me head-butting the table
But at least it prepared the table for the rest of the viewing...
We could have easily been 15-point victors in that game, but I'd rather this crop of still very young men identify their flaws now than in, say, next year's Bledisloe.
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Overall, as I suspected, we were dumb as fuck at crucial points.
Early offload/flick from Ikitau when we turned them over inside their quarter. Dumb brain from Wright continually to offset his good stuff.
JOC missing touch at the end. In the same position, the Boks would kick to touch - even for 15m - get a maul penalty.
Then kick to touch again, and get a maul penalty. Kick a goal. That's what we're missing in this game.
Scots are a pretty handy team at the moment though, I mean FIVE Lions in the backline alone is fucken unheard of so you have to admit these boys can play.
Strong in the loose too but this is nothing new, they have been as long as I’ve
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@mn5 I like watching that Scots backline get around. Their halves and Hogg in particular are awesome. Great coach using his resources the right way
Yep, a handful of genuine class players peaking at the same time. Of course once Hogg and Russell go they’ll be back in the doldrums so I’m enjoying the fun while it lasts.
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@mn5 said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@majorrage said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Poite was ok today with letting it flow but he did make a few mistakes, which pretty much so all went Scotland’s way.
> Really enjoyed it tho, Scotland backline is a joy to watch.
There’s a sentence I never thought I’d see written down in my lifetime
Tell me about it. Finn Russel has a similarity to Carter in that he looks like he has so much time on the ball. The outside backs are all very quick too and excellent and finding space to run into.
Really good team to watch.
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@majorrage said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@mn5 said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@majorrage said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Poite was ok today with letting it flow but he did make a few mistakes, which pretty much so all went Scotland’s way.
> Really enjoyed it tho, Scotland backline is a joy to watch.
There’s a sentence I never thought I’d see written down in my lifetime
Tell me about it. Finn Russel has a similarity to Carter in that he looks like he has so much time on the ball. The outside backs are all very quick too and excellent and finding space to run into.
Really good team to watch.
He’s not the athlete Carter is though which makes his efforts all the more impressive in my opinion.
Also a big winger is nothing new in Scottish Rugby….guys like Lamont, Danielli, Visser, Walker etc were all various degrees of huge but none were as consistently effective as Duhan Van de Merwe is.
Fuck I wish they had a game against the ABs this November.
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@mn5 I like watching that Scots backline get around. Their halves and Hogg in particular are awesome. Great coach using his resources the right way
Yeah, you can see the Townsend mindset in the way they’re playing currently. Makes you wonder how much input he was given on the Lions tour.
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@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
And it was a shit cleanout by Alaalatoa, too - zero effect. Get there and retain your balance, eyes up, to protect the ball.
Tough call only in that many refs have let this 'style' of play go for years. No attempt to be doing anything at the tackle except insert a body in there and go to ground. It's not a clear out. It's no different to tackling a player on the ground. You are actually only meant to bind onto a player on their feet anyway.
In my opinion it is a penalty anyway (should be at almost every ruck) but the arm to the head was just extra clumsiness.IMO the reason this is never ruled on is that WR want to encourage players to the tackle area to create space elsewhere but then want quick contests for the ball to keep play moving.
Refs have been letting this type of cleanout go for a while now.
The first guy comes in to roll the tackle off to allow the carrier to place the ball cleanly. The cleaner does go off his feet almost everytime, but without it the attack would be stymied with tackler accidently making their way on to the wrong side everytime.
But in this case the tackler was already clear of the ball (so its like those cases where the hackler steps back and it looks like the cleaner dived in now that there is nothing ruck against).
I'm fine with a penalty in this particular case because AAA was so out of control of the clear out that he was unable to avoid contact.
A yellow is stupid though, as the very same thing goes unpunished a hundred times a game.
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@sidbarret said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
A yellow is stupid though, as the very same thing goes unpunished a hundred times a game.
Any time the TMO gets involved, particularly with a home broadcaster picking replays, you're in trouble.
Solution: spin around, have a stab at converting through droppie and gtfo
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@majorrage said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@mn5 said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@majorrage said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Poite was ok today with letting it flow but he did make a few mistakes, which pretty much so all went Scotland’s way.
> Really enjoyed it tho, Scotland backline is a joy to watch.
There’s a sentence I never thought I’d see written down in my lifetime
Tell me about it. Finn Russel has a similarity to Carter in that he looks like he has so much time on the ball. The outside backs are all very quick too and excellent and finding space to run into.
Really good team to watch.
The biggest difference between Russell and Carter isn't on their best days, it's on their worst.
Both fantastic to watch when they're going well, but I don't remember Carter ever having a stinker of a game - "a bit quiet today" was about as bad as he got from my recollection
