Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour
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@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
Bridge was arguably the best midfielder on the field. Oh, he was playing wing was he?
Edit: i actually think (the mighty) Quinn Tupaea is promising, just had a bad day yesterday.Nice
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@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
I doubt it, actions speak louder than words though eh 😉 he's the one that started selecting Ennor at centre ahead of an international centre.
He also selects Bridge ahead of 3 other wingers typically...
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@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
Bridge was arguably the best midfielder on the field. Oh, he was playing wing was he?
Edit: i actually think (the mighty) Quinn Tupaea is promising, just had a bad day yesterday.Not his cup of meat?
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@stargazer said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@booboo Yes, Digby's nephew. Sorry, haven't read most of the thread.
Thanks. Looked and moved a lot like him.
And you're not missing much.
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@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks. -
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
I doubt it, actions speak louder than words though eh 😉 he's the one that started selecting Ennor at centre ahead of an international centre.
He also selects Bridge ahead of 3 other wingers typically...
He is a v good* Super rugby winger
*- @Winger trademark
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@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks.You really think what these international coaches say publicly is what actually happens? Public statements are just part of the PR game. Given the size of the support staff in these teams, of course they are scouting.
I wouldn’t be putting a loss down to poor tactics or even scouting. I thought the tactics against the Boks were okay, we just didn’t execute in key moments and we gave away a dumb penalty at the end.
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@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks.You really think what these international coaches say publicly is what actually happens? Public statements are just part of the PR game. Given the size of the support staff in these teams, of course they are scouting.
I wouldn’t be putting a loss down to poor tactics or even scouting. I thought the tactics against the Boks were okay, we just didn’t execute in key moments and we gave away a dumb penalty at the end.
Heh. I knew at the time of my post I should add "In my naive sober state" but now now I am four sheets to the wind and completely oblivious to any subtlety of criticism I am going to be very frank and say
The AB tactical awareness, and manipulation of other teams has been crap since the 2015 RWC.
There, I said it.Where has this great tactical leveraging happened in recent years? What strategic weaknesses did they (AB coaches) rip open? Against whom?
Perhaps the George Bridge special of running straight into the opposition and flopping at their feet like a lovesick corgi? The kicks straight to the opposition for easy catches, not to wide open space or bombs to the aerially challenged? The loose forward charging of frightened 10s?
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for @bones only.
Tell me Ennor's neck is proportional side-on to front-on?
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A question for someone who can analyse Rugby much better than me.
Why is there a such difference in the quality of performances by Richie Mo'unga at Super level for the Crusaders and at international level for the All Blacks?
For the Crusaders, he is one of the great Super Rugby players of all time and plays with a huge about of fluency, verve, flair and imagination. For the ABs (under both Hansen and Foster), he does okay and does some things well but he's not such a consistent game-breaker and look like he is playing with the handbrake on. Is it a systems thing, a confidence thing or about the two team environments?
I'd be very interested to hear any informed opinions.
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@sparky Not informed at all but I have an opinion.
One game against Italy has taken away his early Championship form? What? .... Do you have a seriously short-term memory? He was excellent before his break.
I would choose BB against Ireland because the form pendulum has swayed towards Beauden but I really think there is no reason for this question to be asked. -
@old-samurai-jack said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky Not informed at all but I have an opinion.
One game against Italy has taken away his early Championship form? What? .... Do you have a seriously short-term memory? He was excellent before his break.
I would choose BB against Ireland because the form pendulum has swayed towards Beauden but I really think there is no reason for this question to be asked.Richie is a tidy kicker.
I do wonder if the Crusaders are better at linking 10 and 12. Seems to me the AB 10 is often playing very independently of the supporting backline. -
@old-samurai-jack Richie Mo'unga is a very solid international player but he doesn't consistently dominate in the same way he does at Super Level. The Fern has awarded him three MoM points this year despite his remarkable talent.
I'd just be interested if anyone can point out why. I don't think it is a ridiculous question to ask.
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@sparky because at the absolute elite level your 10 is rarely a game breaker, he's a game manager. The best can also break a game open.
I thought @Dan54 damned him in praise earlier where he said Richie was at his best wrapping the 12 and attacking out wide. That's not a test match 10.
A good 10 at this level keeps the ball in front of his forwards, steers the team around the Park, dictates the pace, puts guys in to space. A great one does this while also being an attacking threat in his own right.
Richie M is, like BB, a great attacking player who doesn't have the ability to command a game.
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@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
for @bones only.
Tell me Ennor's neck is proportional side-on to front-on?
Caveat: very academic topic now considering his unique catching skills.
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Few points from rewatch of last 35.
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Early in second Italian 16 awarded several penalties when his feet were two feet behind hips. Physically impossible from there to support own body weight!
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Cleanouts/ball protection a lot better once Ofa arrived. After a while De Groot also seemed to get the hang of it.
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Backline was much better with Havili and Tuapea, both of whom were quick to clean.
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Frizell added good physicality. Finishing loose trio much more effective than starting.
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All of which led to repeat 26-0 final quarter. Effect of tiring would have played a big part.
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