Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour
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@pakman said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
For me only surprise in 23 was Jordie ahead of Jordan. Suggest latter not currenly viewed as a 15 (or that Ritchie and Jordie are designated goalkickers).
Will be fascinating to see how bench employed.
Midfield cover?
Havili?
Ah yeah, skipped over him. Blurry eyes, it's 4am
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@daffy-jaffy said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Italy: 15 Matteo Minozzi, 14 Federico Mori, 13 Juan Ignacio Brex, 12 Marco Zanon, 11 Montanna Ioane, 10 Paolo Garbisi, 9 Stephen Varney, 8 Renato Giammarioli, 7 Michele Lamaro (c), 6 Sebastian Negri, 5 David Sisi, 4 Marco Fuser, 3 Marco Riccioni, 2 Gianmarco Lucchesi, 1 Danilo Fischetti
Replacements: 16 Luca Bigi, 17 Ivan Nemer, 18 Pietro Ceccarelli, 19 Niccolò Cannone, 20 Federico Ruzza, 21 Abraham Steyn, 22 Callum Braley, 23 Carlo CannaI will again admit my ignorance of NH rugby and state that I recognise none of those players.
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It's Kieran Crowley's first test as head coach of Italy, so it's probably too early to expect any significant change in performance, but it will be interesting to follow them to see what impact his coaching will have.
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@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@daffy-jaffy said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Italy: 15 Matteo Minozzi, 14 Federico Mori, 13 Juan Ignacio Brex, 12 Marco Zanon, 11 Montanna Ioane, 10 Paolo Garbisi, 9 Stephen Varney, 8 Renato Giammarioli, 7 Michele Lamaro (c), 6 Sebastian Negri, 5 David Sisi, 4 Marco Fuser, 3 Marco Riccioni, 2 Gianmarco Lucchesi, 1 Danilo Fischetti
Replacements: 16 Luca Bigi, 17 Ivan Nemer, 18 Pietro Ceccarelli, 19 Niccolò Cannone, 20 Federico Ruzza, 21 Abraham Steyn, 22 Callum Braley, 23 Carlo CannaI will again admit my ignorance of NH rugby and state that I recognise none of those players.
Welcome to my world for the past 10 years.
Some of the names would work well in this scene though
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The team everyone was expecting. The only minor surprise is that Weber is starting, but he needs some time on the field. Maybe Akira could have been on the bench too for the same reasons. Whitelock provides some insurance in case of an early injury. Speaking of the locks, I doubt we've ever fielded a younger locking pair in the professional era. Vaa'i is the veteran at 21.
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I see Ioane is playing on the wing...
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Would be very interesting if Ennor was to break. Who goes to 13? QT? Bridge? Reece?
Last time we played in Rome DMac was at fullback and JB on the right wing. JB scored heaps but was being directed by DMac positionally the whole game. Kind of shows the development/maturity that has come into JBs game since then.
I think we may see the 10/15 interchange plan again this week. I don't think it has been completely shelved but the RM/DMac combo seems to work it well and it is a good option for some opposition and provides a possible plan B.
IMO the RM/ DMac version is built more on the playmaker whereas when BB goes to 15 it is more a playmaking fullback if that makes sense. -
@crucial said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Would be very interesting if Ennor was to break. Who goes to 13? QT? Bridge? Reece?
Earlier in the year Foster said they saw QT as someone that can play both midfield positions. He seems the most likely of the options you mentioned.
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@bovidae said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Reece played at centre at school but I doubt he has played there since. JB might put his hand up.
I hadn't heard what @Duluth posted above. Thought QT was a specialist 12.
I had been wondering if Reece had played centre. JB hasn't (AFAIK), he is a 12 as well. The interesting thought that crossed my mind was Bridge. Can he re-invent himself there? Seems to have a rugby brain just not the impact but could possibly be good at line running and distribution. Agree that the ABs is not the place for this re-invention. Trouble is that he can be effective on the wing at lower levels so is unlikely to be able to do it there. His ceiling is Super Rugby for the wing but if you scratch that surface he has touches of class/skills/brains that got him identified for higher honours.
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@pakman said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
For me only surprise in 23 was Jordie ahead of Jordan. Suggest latter not currenly viewed as a 15 (or that Ritchie and Jordie are designated goalkickers).
Will be fascinating to see how bench employed.
As earlier, I didn't expect Jordan to be named because he's started the last two games and probably penciled in for the next two.
I don't think they'd be worried about playing him at fullback vs Italy. The Crusaders played him there all year and frankly I'd expect most of our Super rugby teams to beat the Italians.
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@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@daffy-jaffy said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Italy: 15 Matteo Minozzi, 14 Federico Mori, 13 Juan Ignacio Brex, 12 Marco Zanon, 11 Montanna Ioane, 10 Paolo Garbisi, 9 Stephen Varney, 8 Renato Giammarioli, 7 Michele Lamaro (c), 6 Sebastian Negri, 5 David Sisi, 4 Marco Fuser, 3 Marco Riccioni, 2 Gianmarco Lucchesi, 1 Danilo Fischetti
Replacements: 16 Luca Bigi, 17 Ivan Nemer, 18 Pietro Ceccarelli, 19 Niccolò Cannone, 20 Federico Ruzza, 21 Abraham Steyn, 22 Callum Braley, 23 Carlo CannaI will again admit my ignorance of NH rugby and state that I recognise none of those players.
They have a few good young players now. In fact their U20 team is better than Scotlands now which bodes well for them. At this moment though they're still weak.
Look out for Garbisi, Minozzi. backrow is decent.
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@bovidae said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Tupaea was sometimes selected at centre for the Chiefs last year but never looked as comfortable compared to 2nd 5.
I read a stuff piece recently where they said he prefers center, but I'm sure he has also said he's a 2nd five first (and I think originally that Fozzie said he's a specialist 12 too). At HS did he play at 12 or move around a bit? I know he has played 12 and 13 for Waikato and the Chiefs, but as you said, he is much better (defensively especially) at 12. He gets a bit lost at 13.
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is it just me or are a lot of these midfielders becoming a little precious with which position they play (12 or 13), in my mind they are much more similar position than 10 and 15, 15 and 14 or 7,8,6 but we have lots of players that are happy to move between these positions
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@gt12 Tupaea did play centre for HBHS a little bit early on but was definitely at 12 in his last 2 years. IIRC, in his first year in the 1st XV as a yr 11 Reece was his midfield partner.
Centre is the hardest backline position to master defensively, which is why they aren't many who have looked comfortable switching between the two. Tupaea is suited to 2nd 5 as he is a strong, direct runner.
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@kiwiwomble said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
is it just me or are a lot of these midfielders becoming a little precious with which position they play (12 or 13), in my mind they are much more similar position than 10 and 15, 15 and 14 or 7,8,6 but we have lots of players that are happy to move between these positions
In can be a similar position or can be quite different depending on style of play.
You can have a 12 that is a true 2nd5 or a 12 that is a centre.
Then even with 2 centres you can have a dedicated straightener and a distributor or line-runner OR you can have both players being adept at both. Generally though the 12 plays straighter in that scenario and the 13 is better at getting around the corner and distributing to the wing with good timing.
The defence roles and judgement can be quite different as well. There are definitely 12s that don't make good 13s and vice-versa.
10 and 15 are similar in that they both need good kicking from hand and both need to be quick decision makers and readers of what is in front of them at all distances.
