Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Classic announcement of an announcement - Friday will bring targets/milestones, the outline of a new Covid protection framework (which presumably will replace levels), decisions on enhanced business support.
It's a constant stream of announcements that announce announcements to announce things will happen soon but the details will be confirmed in another announcement but we'll announce when that announcement will take place in another announcement.
I guess they have to at least try to look like they're doing something when all they're really doing is waiting for people to be vaccinated.
After another announcement. Or two. Friday sounded big though.
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@chris-b said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean Yeah - I don't think they're missing that point either.
If you look how cautious they were about letting the South Island etc. drop from L4 to L3 when we had zero cases - and then a few weeks later, they let Auckland drop - even though there were still plenty of cases.
I think they're balancing what the population will wear.
If the Auckland hospitals start overflowing with covid patients, then I think the population would accept the need for a circuit-breaker.
The fact that they aren't overwhelmed and the numbers are relatively stable, people are going to increasingly wonder what the fuck we are locked up for
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@chris-b said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean Yeah - I don't think they're missing that point either.
If you look how cautious they were about letting the South Island etc. drop from L4 to L3 when we had zero cases - and then a few weeks later, they let Auckland drop - even though there were still plenty of cases.
I think they're balancing what the population will wear.
If the Auckland hospitals start overflowing with covid patients, then I think the population would accept the need for a circuit-breaker.
The fact that they aren't overwhelmed and the numbers are relatively stable, people are going to increasingly wonder what the fuck we are locked up for
Numbers are significantly higher than when they were suppressing them at L4 though and it's pretty much an exponential thing - my expectation is that we will be having several hundred cases per day this time next month.
On the plus side for the Auks (misery loving company) - I'll be pretty surprised if the rest of us haven't joined you in whatever level of lockdown.
I hope to be pleasantly surprised!!!
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Well for all these L2.95a breaches and border breaches we hear about I bet there is several more we don't.
I see 2 'influencers' were at that party in Auckland and have both been dropped by thier management companies.
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@chris-b said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@chris-b said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean Yeah - I don't think they're missing that point either.
If you look how cautious they were about letting the South Island etc. drop from L4 to L3 when we had zero cases - and then a few weeks later, they let Auckland drop - even though there were still plenty of cases.
I think they're balancing what the population will wear.
If the Auckland hospitals start overflowing with covid patients, then I think the population would accept the need for a circuit-breaker.
The fact that they aren't overwhelmed and the numbers are relatively stable, people are going to increasingly wonder what the fuck we are locked up for
Numbers are significantly higher than when they were suppressing them at L4 though and it's pretty much an exponential thing - my expectation is that we will be having several hundred cases per day this time next month.
On the plus side for the Auks (misery loving company) - I'll be pretty surprised if the rest of us haven't joined you in whatever level of lockdown.
I hope to be pleasantly surprised!!!
How long have we been in L3? Has there been an upsurge in cases over that time? I can't recall such a surge
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan fuck, 67 days since start of this outbreak...Seymour seems to be getting alot more traction than National!
Well he has a fully functioning brain for starters
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@tewaio why wouldn't a public heath expert (which Dr Bloomfield is - that's his medical specialty) present public health advice that higher is better? He also acknowledged today in response to a question of "when would 90% be reached" that modelling gave them forecasts (4-5 weeks), but actually it's down to individuals to go and get vaccinated.
Meanwhile, looks like the police have caught up with one of the clowns:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300432470/covid19-police-arrest-man-over-party-on-aucklands-north-shore -
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have I missed something? Has anybody in power actually said, categorically, that if we reach this 90% vaccination rate we will no longer have lockdowns? No?
We got an announcement today of an announcement on Friday, but it sounded more promising than previous announcements of announcements. 90% is just the number commonly put forward by ministers and the DG, you're right that it currently has no official link to anything. Hopefully that changes on Friday and a link is added.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have I missed something? Has anybody in power actually said, categorically, that if we reach this 90% vaccination rate we will no longer have lockdowns? No?
The only thing they are good at is announcing when the next announcement is
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have I missed something? Has anybody in power actually said, categorically, that if we reach this 90% vaccination rate we will no longer have lockdowns? No?
We got an announcement today of an announcement on Friday, but it sounded more promising than previous announcements of announcements. 90% is just the number commonly put forward by ministers and the DG, you're right that it currently has no official link to anything. Hopefully that changes on Friday and a link is added.
This is no way to run a country, itâs embarrassing.
I was trying to explain our situation to my family in the US and they were really confused about why we were still locked down at all (democrats).
Our vaccination rate is already higher than other countries opening up.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have I missed something? Has anybody in power actually said, categorically, that if we reach this 90% vaccination rate we will no longer have lockdowns? No?
Trying to read between the lines because, again, we have no firm plan communicated, but my concern is the 90% target is for MÄori and PI groups. (Based off Bloomfieldâs comments).
It might even include groups they deem vulnerable that want protected before opening up.
Looking at the vax rates breakdown so far, thatâs months away if Iâm being generous.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Have I missed something? Has anybody in power actually said, categorically, that if we reach this 90% vaccination rate we will no longer have lockdowns? No?
Trying to read between the lines because, again, we have no firm plan communicated, but my concern is the 90% target is for MÄori and PI groups. (Based off Bloomfieldâs comments).
It might even include groups they deem vulnerable that want protected before opening up.
Looking at the vax rates breakdown so far, thatâs months away if Iâm being generous.
According to the experts we need to reach 90% across all ethnicities and communities. Unsure if that also includes the anti-vax community.
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@kirwan Thatâs my take on it too. This is a situation where this governmentâs best instincts may not serve us well. I think itâs critical to them that they are believed to be good, virtuous people, above all else. Theyâre in a difficult position and they canât do the right thing because they want to do the good thing.
They know that if they relax the rules some people will die and many will get sick. And because of their low vaccination rates and higher rates of co-morbidities, a disproportionately large number will likely be MÄori.
We can already see from recent new stories that some commentators see the Covid response as having a racist element to it, and if MÄori people start getting sick and dying in greater numbers than the non-MÄori population itâs inevitable that narrative will gain more credence. That would be difficult for any government but for one which puts such store in their perceived virtue as this one, it would be untenable to be accused of racism.
They have to know that they are in a bad position no matter what happens from here. I think theyâd rather choose the option that leaves them looking most virtuous, whatever the cost to the rest of us.
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@jc From the article I posted:
Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins told Checkpoint there was still a lot of detail to work through with the plan.
"We need to make sure any targets we set are having the desired effect. It's not just about saying, it's 90 per cent across the board, we actually have to look at making sure that we don't have high concentration pockets of unvaccinated people within the community.