All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
Carter was a great runner and passer, exceptional goal kick, and his defence was very good, but that sweeping left boot got the ABs out of difficult spots so many times.
Helped he could kick 40 on the fly with his right too.
Watched an old game a while back and the ABs had Dagg kicking long, as well as Carter. Hit home how poor we are in that department now.
Dagg's boot was exceptional. Just booming punts from teh back
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nta the Springbokke missed two key players in Kolbey and PSdT.
Also a factor BUT I think Smith is far more important to the ABs than either of those players to the Boks.
If you pick PSdT you might be tempted to leave out Kwagga, and I think he was just too important in the balance of that particular back row.
I don't think the attacking opportunities were there against the ABs for Kolbe any more than Mapimpi or Nkosi. Personally think Cheslin would have been more dangerous against the Wallabies - his defense would surely be better than Mapimpi who completely failed to cover Andrew Kellaway in Wallabies v Boks Test 1, and had a number of poor reads when the ball got a bit of work on it. Against the ABs' lack of creativity tho Mapimpi was fine.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mikethesnow France? They have the forwards to lay a platform and the 9/10 axis to ignite the backline. I'd say France have more upside than England right now. Eddie's team will be v raw in Nov.
France are playing Argentina, Georgia and NZ this Autumn.
England play Tonga, Australia and SA
If England beat both Australia and SA then they jump ahead of France in my books
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
When you've got a cannon boot like Jordie in your team, it's complete madness for his brother to be using his pop-gun boot to clear us out of our own 22
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
We lost the game as soon as we started talking about Grand Slams
Any links? First I’ve heard that.
The loss we had to have 😉
No just a gut feel, gave the boks the added incentive to kick our butts because it smacked a bit of srrogance
Just seemed quite strange that the words Grand Slam would even be mentioned given the ABs aren’t playing England and Scotland in the upcoming tour…
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
Carter was a great runner and passer, exceptional goal kick, and his defence was very good, but that sweeping left boot got the ABs out of difficult spots so many times.
Helped he could kick 40 on the fly with his right too.
Watched an old game a while back and the ABs had Dagg kicking long, as well as Carter. Hit home how poor we are in that department now.
Perhaps the time has come to (finally) get Marty Banks into the ABs, got a very good boot that boy 😀
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@canefan someone, maybe here, suggested it could be with his calf problem but I think I read somewhere he said it was now fine? Something puzzling, anyway. I don't understand why BB's kicking doesn't improve with age and experience.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
DISCLAIMER: have only watched the game once
I thought i was a cracker, particuarly the first half.@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
How is it the Wallabies can put the Boks to
ABs haven't changed in several years - the aim of the game is being fitter than everyone, and racking up turnover runaway tries. "You miss I hit" being the basic premise.And because Foster is just an extension of the Hansen era things may not change. We were all clamoring for a change but the NZRFU does what is has done for years. Unfortunately you have the better coach so the rivalry might just intensify which would be good for both countries but more so for Oz.
And, in that, occasional losses are good.
But the nature of this one - 1 point, mighty struggle etc might mask all this.
Bring back A Smith and Whitelock and suddenly things improve, which is a sign that it is more about the people than the plan.
I agree with all your posts above and I think you nailed major AB weaknesses we aren't fixing, but a minor quibble: Smith and Whitelock are not just good because of what they do in terms of skill and workload but because they are experienced and confident enough to change the plan when they think it isn't working. I'm not sure we have enough depth of leadership when they aren't playing..
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@westcoastie said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ALB also spent a lot of time out on the wing I thought. Seemed to be there plenty.
He reminded me of Bridge when he was out on the wing with ball in hand.
You mean, an excellent water boy? (Trademark: ACT Crusader).
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
When you've got a cannon boot like Jordie in your team, it's complete madness for his brother to be using his pop-gun boot to clear us out of our own 22
Yes the AB coaches seem to have cottoned on to that rather late..
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Rugby can be a funny game. When Jantjies hit that drop goal I was thinking he'd fucked up as it gave the ABs more time to hit back instead of milking time lining up the penalty. And when Jordie hit that penalty I thought I was proven right. But what it actually did was allow enough time for the Boks to hit back after the ABs had hit back. If he hadn't taken the drop goal the Boks would not have had time to win it after Jordies 2nd penalty.
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@junior Jordie has been ignored by AB selection management over the past 2 years. Crazy.
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Nick ghost writing for Planet Rugby: https://www.planetrugby.com/five-takeaways-from-the-rugby-championship-round-as-springboks-and-australia-beat-all-blacks-and-argentina-respectively/
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
but a minor quibble: Smith and Whitelock are not just good because of what they do in terms of skill and workload but because they are experienced and confident enough to change the plan when they think it isn't working.
Their experience and leadership are definitely missed.
But they don't really change the game plan IMHO. It just looks easier when they are out there. I'm also quibbling to a degree.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@westcoastie said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ALB also spent a lot of time out on the wing I thought. Seemed to be there plenty.
He reminded me of Bridge when he was out on the wing with ball in hand.
He really killed that move after Jordie's break - better option was to straighten, suck in the defender and let Rieko loop around. As it was, he just kept going sideways and made it simple for the cover to get him
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Who was calling the lineouts? Whomever had a shit game.
Looked like Boks almost knew our calls
Well it was fairly obvious we would be throwing a lot of ball to two after last week's line out woes
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is how easy it is for teams to pin us in our own half following kick off. This has been a problem for a few years now. Last night the Boks were superb at it. Kick long and high to give the chasers time to get in a defensive position. Then stop the ensuing maul, smash our one off hit up and pressure the subsequent kick. We end up defending a lineout between our 22 and 10 metre line if we are lucky.
We miss a long punting game, especially at 10.
Carter was a great runner and passer, exceptional goal kick, and his defence was very good, but that sweeping left boot got the ABs out of difficult spots so many times.
Helped he could kick 40 on the fly with his right too.
Watched an old game a while back and the ABs had Dagg kicking long, as well as Carter. Hit home how poor we are in that department now.
Perhaps the time has come to (finally) get Marty Banks into the ABs, got a very good boot that boy 😀
Not clutch though….
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I don't like having a go at the match officials, and fair play to Carling for having the guts to whistle penalties at the end, but there bad calls both ways. The worst for mine though was Mpimpi being a good few metres offside on the kick chase, not spotted by anyone.
I was yelling at the TV then. It wasn't even close and the AR was right there.
I thought he had checked himself for a second because he'd screwed his timing up so monumentally, but then he kinda changed his mind and contested the ball.
Was very bizarre
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The unfortunate reality is that we are struggling with world class players and depth. If you picked a combined Bok/AB side, with the bomb squad front row….we would be lucky to have 5 ABs on the park, and only 1 forward (Savea)…and that includes A.Smith. We got by lat weekend as the Boks had a crappy game plan but we were outplayed this week across the park as they have stronger, faster, better players in more positions than we do. It’s going to be a problem again when we get to France. I don’t thing the return of the old guard is going to solve our problems 2 years out from now. Cane, Whitelock and plastering over a bigger problem. We need to find and develop the younger talent, it’s there…Leicester F, the Highlaners 9…….too many of our players are aged or are never going to be anything more than solid test players. That won’t win a WC.
