All Blacks vs Springboks II
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That was a great test match and hats off to the Boks who were good value for their victory. For the ABs, I thought Weber had a great first half. Backs were generally pretty good TBH, maybe Havili could have done a bit more. But it wasn't in the backs that the game was lost.
I said it already, and I'll say it again, when you have Aumua and Tuipulotu as replacements, you are in lineout trouble. The former just can't be depended on to throw, and the latter is just not a jumping lock. Probably cost us the game. The starting props were also kept on 5 minutes too long. Really missed Whitelock.
I don't like having a go at the match officials, and fair play to Carling for having the guts to whistle penalties at the end, but there bad calls both ways. The worst for mine though was Mpimpi being a good few metres offside on the kick chase, not spotted by anyone.
I don't think you can be too hard or disappointed in the ABs, the Boks are our major foe for a reason - they are also bloody good at rugby!
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think other than selection blunders our glaring issue is tight 5. Our props are all kinda average-shit and our locking stocks aren't looking great without Whitelock. Retallick hasn't been as good since he left.
There are plenty of promising up and coming props, but if they are to be ready for 2023, they need to be in the first squad named next year.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fainganuku
I like his size and he is a good player but are they playing him that second five on a regular basis.? Havilli has played as best he can but are we advertising the position? 2nd five at least 110kg. I sure when Havilli plays for the Crusaders he will be locked into 2 five now so when will Fainganuku get a chance. Provincial rugby is not enough.
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@victor-meldrew agree. We have 2 older locks that might not be around by World Cup time so Foster missed an opportunity to use Vaia. Foster might land on his feet by having PT leave. There will be no reason to pick him.
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@canefan Cane coming back is like Retallick coming back. They are both getting older and should he just walk into the number 6? Let’s see how he goes first. He has had some many injuries and it’s taken a toll. I would rather focus on what we have that reminisce about the old glory days.
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@mikethesnow hard to implement a plan B when your forwards are getting owned
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bones he certainly seemed to get swept up in the drama. Refs are only human, and I think this was his first Bok/AB game, no? Makes you appreciate how good Nigel Owens was to maintain his poise in the heat of these types of games.
Nah, these refs work their way up - but did anyone else see how nervous he looked before kickoff? He got so tired after the 30th minute that he stopped being able to see the most basic infringements. That suited the bokke way more than us - but to be fair the AR's were just as bad... what the fuck was the thinking on Mapimpi and the penalties before and after halftime? They are worse than shockers.
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@victor-meldrew , biggest problem with Patrick Tuipulotu he floats in and out of games his strength is his ball carrying , but is not a viable jumping option at lineout time had one or 2 carries and got a good turnover but apart from that despite having 40 minutes to impose himself was a disappointment.,really poor read in defence when caught in no mans land when the South African winger scored .
Have always thought Super Rugby is his ceiling , he’s had 40 appearances in the black jersey over 7 years and never imposed himself as high quality international lock .
Retallick whilst still quality looks a shadow of the player who was injured pre RWC ,still works himself to standstill but for some reason looks down on physicality.It’s a shame Scott Barrett got injured ,because he’s a worker, runs himself to standstill ,just discipline at times is an issue .I was hoping they would give Tupou Vaa’i a spot on the bench because he does offer genuine impact .
Outside Whitelock , Retallick,Barret and Vaa’i that’s our best locking options .
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@bones true, but he also called some that benefited NZ, like the Steyn tackle where he appeared to strip the ball in the tackle, but was then pinged for not rolling away.
I struggle to see how so many teams (not just the Boks) can be offside either on the kick-chase or wide out on defence, yet nobody ever seems to penalise them. A sure fire way to create space for attacking rugby is to stop defenders from taking up space illegally.
Ironically, it was the ABs who were pinged twice (I think) for being offside as they advanced too early.
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan Cane coming back is like Retallick coming back. They are both getting older and should he just walk into the number 6? Let’s see how he goes first. He has had some many injuries and it’s taken a toll. I would rather focus on what we have that reminisce about the old glory days.
BBBR looks to have lost some of that physicality that he used to have in spades. Not sure if he has put all that bulk back on after Japan or if he's still opting for mobility at the expense of his power game.
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@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
.It’s a shame Scott Barrett got injured ,because he’s a worker, runs himself to standstill ,just discipline at times is an issue .
Discipline is way better than it was and and he's upped his workrate several notches this year. Much more mature player.
Agree about Vaa'i - def one for the future
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bones true, but he also called some that benefited NZ, like the Steyn tackle where he appeared to strip the ball in the tackle, but was then pinged for not rolling away.
I struggle to see how so many teams (not just the Boks) can be offside either on the kick-chase or wide out on defence, yet nobody ever seems to penalise them. A sure fire way to create space for attacking rugby is to stop defenders from taking up space illegally.
Ironically, it was the ABs who were pinged twice (I think) for being offside as they advanced too early.
Pressure and flow changing calls definitely benefitted the boks (and some ridiculously blatant stuff missed), it was a fucking shocking ref performance when you boil it down.
But if the ABs sharpened up and hadn't fucken forgotten how to catch and pass, they would have pissed it in.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting thing that there were four distinct periods.
First 15: to and fro
Second 20 ABs on top.
Third 25 Boks dominated (14 unanswered points)
Last 20 ABs on top.
Big impact from bench. From 35 to 60 where Boks were best, and we were at our worst.
Will be focus of my rewatch.No thanks….😉
The only test match I have missed in the last 25 years is the 99 semi and to this day I have not watched it. I have seen the odd highlight here or there but I refuse to sit down and put myself through it.
The first half is worth a watch 😎
