All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.
Also helps the lineout too, no need to risk going to the back to get fast ball wide as Smith can do it not matter where the ball comes.
i've long been of the opinion that Aaron Smith is the most important component of our lineout
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@mariner4life agreed, his pass gives us options even from the front of the lineout
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
you see several videos on all the socials about how smith gets to training an hour or two before he needs to and does all this extra work on his pass, you dont see the same for the others...they quite possibly do, but if they dont it make you wonder
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
you see several videos on all the socials about how smith gets to training an hour or two before he needs to and does all this extra work on his pass, you dont see the same for the others...they quite possibly do, but if they dont it make you wonder
I know for sure TJ does, I've seen a heap of videos of his extra training. H did one when he he's attached to a bungy, so he has to fight to get to the ball and pass. Then the ball is in a tyre, then in 2 tyres on top of each other, 3, 4, 5. Looked fucking hard!
I don;t think there is anything but professionalism on those that get a good number of tests, but everyone has a skill ceiling, and micro improvements are only micro!
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@machpants probably just my algorithms then
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I do love the old “tiring defence” line that gets thrown out when someone comes off the bench 😀
One of the stark differences from the naked eye had nothing to do with the tiring defence or the defence at all, but it was just the speed of the pass from the base.
That alone I thought it was quite a noticeable difference between TJP and Weber on the weekend.
They both have accuracy issues, but if Barrett is getting the ball quicker the hope is he will create more.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby,
When Justin Marshall was being called one of our best you can see what a miserable bunch it has been.
You guys complain about TJ and Weber! Have a thought for poor Merts who didn't know if he was going to have to jump for the ball or touch his toes. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
Did you try working on your skills..?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
Did you try working on your skills..?
no, dammit, is that what i did wrong?
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Maybe my imagination, but the Boks, especially the chasing wingers, don't actually go to catch their attacking kicks. Instead, they try to slap the ball back towards their line or just hinder the catcher by putting their hands in the way. Other players position themselves for the slap back. Obviously not illegal but it makes taking a clean catch difficult. ABs need to position themselves to compete for the "slap back". Or has this always been a tactic?
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@old-samurai-jack they definately did that a few times
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe my imagination, but the Boks, especially the chasing wingers, don't actually go to catch their attacking kicks. Instead, they try to slap the ball back towards their line or just hinder the catcher by putting their hands in the way. Other players position themselves for the slap back. Obviously not illegal but it makes taking a clean catch difficult. ABs need to position themselves to compete for the "slap back". Or has this always been a tactic?
This is a very old tactic they have gone back to. It was one of the things years ago that lead to rule changes about interfering with the jumper. They would just jump into the defending jumper to disrupt with no intention of catching. Obviously they have had to get a wee bit smarter about the picture they are painting to get away with it but the intention is the same just get in the air at a similar height and wave an arm around.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
Helping keep Weber and the boys (especially Jordie) pimple-free
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Helping keep Weber and the boys (especially Jordie) pimple-free
Jordie? The Pimply Giraffe? You'll destroy him, don't do that
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@dan54 Some bastard here will probably come up with a video - except, now that I've asked them to. :).
Yep remember him spilling one badly in a tackle in first half. Also could have had a try when he popped a no look pass behind him to no one. He was expecting someone to be there but if he had a quick look he would have found Jordie eho would have been a good chance close to the line
Yeah - he definitely lost one forward trying to pass in the tackle - a few metres after he'd taken a high kick. I'm somewhat inclined to think that's what people have registered in their mind.
Yeah - I saw the no look pass in the corner.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Maybe my imagination, but the Boks, especially the chasing wingers, don't actually go to catch their attacking kicks. Instead, they try to slap the ball back towards their line or just hinder the catcher by putting their hands in the way. Other players position themselves for the slap back. Obviously not illegal but it makes taking a clean catch difficult. ABs need to position themselves to compete for the "slap back". Or has this always been a tactic?
Just crowd the area with bodies and wait for an opposition back to jump and try and make the catch (because that’s what they’ve been coached to do) and if they make a mistake all the better.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
Did you try working on your skills..?
no, dammit, is that what i did wrong?
I have a sneaking suspicion that's where my career fell over.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
Did you try working on your skills..?
no, dammit, is that what i did wrong?
I have a sneaking suspicion that's where my career fell over.
Mine was having the sporting ability of a wombat, and the coordination of a drunken daddy long legs
