All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
Weber can be an absolute liability, Chiefs fans will attest to that. But at the moment TJP is taking multiple steps looking for runners before passing, which we just can't afford against a rush defense. If Weber can just get to the ruck and clear it without those delays then our backline will be much better for it.
In terms or accuracy of pass, both are about the same - they spray it all over the shop.
He will have any easier job than last week if we clean the boks out of our breakdowns
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
Weber can be an absolute liability, Chiefs fans will attest to that. But at the moment TJP is taking multiple steps looking for runners before passing, which we just can't afford against a rush defense. If Weber can just get to the ruck and clear it without those delays then our backline will be much better for it.
In terms or accuracy of pass, both are about the same - they spray it all over the shop.
He will have any easier job than last week if we clean the boks out of our breakdowns
More the case of providing protection on the fringe. The ref was allowing the halfback to be attacked almost as they touched the ball in some cases. Can't really blame TJ for wanting to get away before passing
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@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Very strong All Blacks team and bench. Cant see the Springbok being competitive in the last test. All Blacks by 50
Perhaps the Springboks may like to come and play rugby this weekend. If they do, it should be a good match in between all the little recovery "injuries'.
They're running a good disinformation campaign if that's the case!
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
There is also a lot of really good half backs internationally as well, so the bar is high in other places. Despite being stuck box kicking Faff is actually good at other things, when he plays in the UK. The French have whatsisname, who is also great. But yes, TJ is about ‘average’ for ABs 9s, we’ve had worse!
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.
Also helps the lineout too, no need to risk going to the back to get fast ball wide as Smith can do it not matter where the ball comes.
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.
Also helps the lineout too, no need to risk going to the back to get fast ball wide as Smith can do it not matter where the ball comes.
i've long been of the opinion that Aaron Smith is the most important component of our lineout
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@mariner4life agreed, his pass gives us options even from the front of the lineout
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@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
you see several videos on all the socials about how smith gets to training an hour or two before he needs to and does all this extra work on his pass, you dont see the same for the others...they quite possibly do, but if they dont it make you wonder
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
you see several videos on all the socials about how smith gets to training an hour or two before he needs to and does all this extra work on his pass, you dont see the same for the others...they quite possibly do, but if they dont it make you wonder
I know for sure TJ does, I've seen a heap of videos of his extra training. H did one when he he's attached to a bungy, so he has to fight to get to the ball and pass. Then the ball is in a tyre, then in 2 tyres on top of each other, 3, 4, 5. Looked fucking hard!
I don;t think there is anything but professionalism on those that get a good number of tests, but everyone has a skill ceiling, and micro improvements are only micro!
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@machpants probably just my algorithms then
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I do love the old “tiring defence” line that gets thrown out when someone comes off the bench 😀
One of the stark differences from the naked eye had nothing to do with the tiring defence or the defence at all, but it was just the speed of the pass from the base.
That alone I thought it was quite a noticeable difference between TJP and Weber on the weekend.
They both have accuracy issues, but if Barrett is getting the ball quicker the hope is he will create more.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby,
When Justin Marshall was being called one of our best you can see what a miserable bunch it has been.
You guys complain about TJ and Weber! Have a thought for poor Merts who didn't know if he was going to have to jump for the ball or touch his toes. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
Did you try working on your skills..?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?
It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.
i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.
the dude is the GOAT for a reason.
Did you try working on your skills..?
no, dammit, is that what i did wrong?
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Maybe my imagination, but the Boks, especially the chasing wingers, don't actually go to catch their attacking kicks. Instead, they try to slap the ball back towards their line or just hinder the catcher by putting their hands in the way. Other players position themselves for the slap back. Obviously not illegal but it makes taking a clean catch difficult. ABs need to position themselves to compete for the "slap back". Or has this always been a tactic?
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@old-samurai-jack they definately did that a few times
