All Blacks vs Springboks I
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@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Why so much concern in the papers over loosies, when we should be more worried about props (well, not Moody) and the less experienced midfield?
Not about Bridge of course, I just read that he was athletic. That will be enough...hope JB is retained for kicking duties...The loss of Papali’i is big. The best tight loosie we have and would’ve been ideal for the physical Boks. The Boks have gone smaller with Kwagga Smith so potentially Papali’i’s loss won’t be as influential. Blackadder off the bench is fantastic.
Jacobson will need to play in tighter to allow Akira space in the outside channels.
Jordan/Bridge/Jordie are all competent fullbacks who are also v.good under high ball so will diffuse Pollard/De Klerk’s kicking game.
I agree, when Cane returns, AB #7 will be a hot topic.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
I agree, when Cane returns, AB #7 will be a hot topic.
It will be a problem selection, but a nice problem to have.
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@victor-meldrew especially since all 3 can play in other loose forward positions!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@victor-meldrew especially since all 3 can play in other loose forward positions!
Would be quite fun to see how all 3 went together!
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@victor-meldrew especially since all 3 can play in other loose forward positions!
Would be quite fun to see how all 3 went together!
On a serious note, I wonder how much behind the scenes work Sam Cane is doing with the team. The ABs seem much more together this year, with senior players taking to each other when things aren't going well, minimal panicking when things do go wrong, and new players slotting in seamlessly.
That can't be down to just Foster - though he deserves a lot of credit.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
3 Barretts starting.
Imagine if it hadn't already happened this season, it might be slightly more exciting 😬
I think it has happened quite a few times but I still go, wow, I remember when it was a bit weird to have two Whetton ABs..
Do Reiko and Akira have a brother ? I hope not cos he’d be feeling all sorts of stink about not playing too.
You mean like the shorter Hemsworth bro actor (Westworld) that nobody ever remembers?!
Reminds me of the classic response to Mark Waugh sledge:"What are you doing out here? You're too s**t to play for England!"
Which got smashed for six with: "Maybe so, but at least I'm the best player in my family".
Worse though, is that there was a third Waugh who only played provincially.
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@smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
3 Barretts starting.
Imagine if it hadn't already happened this season, it might be slightly more exciting 😬
I think it has happened quite a few times but I still go, wow, I remember when it was a bit weird to have two Whetton ABs..
Do Reiko and Akira have a brother ? I hope not cos he’d be feeling all sorts of stink about not playing too.
You mean like the shorter Hemsworth bro actor (Westworld) that nobody ever remembers?!
Reminds me of the classic response to Mark Waugh sledge:"What are you doing out here? You're too s**t to play for England!"
Which got smashed for six with: "Maybe so, but at least I'm the best player in my family".
Worse though, is that there was a third Waugh who only played provincially.
I feel for Kane Barrett
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
3 Barretts starting.
Imagine if it hadn't already happened this season, it might be slightly more exciting 😬
I think it has happened quite a few times but I still go, wow, I remember when it was a bit weird to have two Whetton ABs..
Do Reiko and Akira have a brother ? I hope not cos he’d be feeling all sorts of stink about not playing too.
You mean like the shorter Hemsworth bro actor (Westworld) that nobody ever remembers?!
Reminds me of the classic response to Mark Waugh sledge:"What are you doing out here? You're too s**t to play for England!"
Which got smashed for six with: "Maybe so, but at least I'm the best player in my family".
Worse though, is that there was a third Waugh who only played provincially.
I feel for Kane Barrett
... and the Blues who signed him.
In fairness, I think Injury was the thing that stopped his career
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@smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
3 Barretts starting.
Imagine if it hadn't already happened this season, it might be slightly more exciting 😬
I think it has happened quite a few times but I still go, wow, I remember when it was a bit weird to have two Whetton ABs..
Do Reiko and Akira have a brother ? I hope not cos he’d be feeling all sorts of stink about not playing too.
You mean like the shorter Hemsworth bro actor (Westworld) that nobody ever remembers?!
Reminds me of the classic response to Mark Waugh sledge:"What are you doing out here? You're too s**t to play for England!"
Which got smashed for six with: "Maybe so, but at least I'm the best player in my family".
Worse though, is that there was a third Waugh who only played provincially.
I once read a Lions or Wales player sledged Meads after the AB scrum was demolished on the opposition 5m
"How's that for scrummaging you c*nt"
Meads: "Fucking impressive, but when you've pulled your head out of your arse, you'll see we've just scored"
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Can't wait to see how that loose forward trio works together against a bigger Springbok pack.
What?
We're NZ. Bokke, Poms, Lions have bigger forward packs by definition.
Ad an aside, has anyone got size, height, weight stats for us so I don't have to look up myself?
I can remember fairly soon after the 03 wc , we had a series at home against England,
All the talk was how we would go against the BIG English pack ,
When I looked up the stats we were slightly heavier man for man except Kevvie .
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@smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
3 Barretts starting.
Imagine if it hadn't already happened this season, it might be slightly more exciting 😬
I think it has happened quite a few times but I still go, wow, I remember when it was a bit weird to have two Whetton ABs..
Do Reiko and Akira have a brother ? I hope not cos he’d be feeling all sorts of stink about not playing too.
You mean like the shorter Hemsworth bro actor (Westworld) that nobody ever remembers?!
Reminds me of the classic response to Mark Waugh sledge:"What are you doing out here? You're too s**t to play for England!"
Which got smashed for six with: "Maybe so, but at least I'm the best player in my family".
Worse though, is that there was a third Waugh who only played provincially.
I think there was also another Waugh who didn’t make it that far.
Mark actually scored more international hundreds than Steve, lots of people forget that.
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@kiwiinmelb back when the pack might weigh in around 850kg...now, most top international packs are over 900kg
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb back when the pack might weigh in around 850kg...now, most top international packs are over 900kg
yep . but my point was more around how the media hyped them up to be so big and scary , yet they werent bigger at all
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Another fascinating Nick Bishop piece today https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/09/24/coachs-corner-issue-27-who-is-really-the-number-one-team-in-the-world/
"The Springboks have lost the most own-ball rucks (6.7 per cent), and have the slowest average ruck speed at 4.1 seconds per breakdown – compared to New Zealand’s 3.9 per cent loss rate and 2.8 average ruck speed.
They have made only six clean breaks and eight offloads in four games, compared to 35 and 40 by the All Blacks ... The combination of poor ruck stats, and the low ratio of offloads attempted suggests that they don’t dare to shift the ball through the hands too often, for fear of losing it to the most lethal counter-attacking side on the planet."
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@kiwiinmelb thats always been the case though, perception vs reality.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Can't wait to see how that loose forward trio works together against a bigger Springbok pack.
What?
We're NZ. Bokke, Poms, Lions have bigger forward packs by definition.
Ad an aside, has anyone got size, height, weight stats for us so I don't have to look up myself?
I can remember fairly soon after the 03 wc , we had a series at home against England,
All the talk was how we would go against the BIG English pack ,
When I looked up the stats we were slightly heavier man for man except Kevvie .
Yep. Same for the 05 Lions
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb back when the pack might weigh in around 850kg...now, most top international packs are over 900kg
yep . but my point was more around how the media hyped them up to be so big and scary , yet they werent bigger at all
Black is slimming
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@l_n_p they got effectively counter-rucked out wide quite often in those wallaby tests.
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@mariner4life 1.3 seconds faster speed by the AB's - feels huge on the (in)ability to reset a defensive line by the opposition.
Makes me fully appreciate the finer points of
cheating
how a top class seven / backrower is able to buy his side 0.5 - 1 seconds in the tackle ... (1) target the ball in the tackle (2) fall marginally on the other side (3) live on the edge as you roll away and (4) adjust all this to what the referee will let you get away with.
