Coronavirus - Overall
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But personally I do think Sweden's mask policies are probably ok, good, fair enough.
Reccommend rather than mandate.
90% of people do, just for social pressure reasons or even genuine health concerns. Once we have moved from elimination, 90% is probably enough to flatten curves.
Just looking at the streets in Wellington & Wairarapa (from my experiences), it is not mandatory but kazillions of people are wearing them, and there isn't even covid within about 600kms.
Admittedly. We've had it mandated on public transport for 8 months, and behaviour seems fine in my experience.
Just don't think we should exhaust energy on or politicise something that 90% will do anyway willingly or slightly grudgingly.
Definitely wouldn't suggest an outdoor mask mandate, personally. Which Israel's seems to have had.
Masks are gooooone here in Sydney. Obvs people have to wear them inside or on public transport, but I reckon you'd be lucky to see more than 5% of people wearing them outside now. I was at Balmoral and Manly beach over the weekend, barely a mask in sight as people picnic, walk, chat to their mates.
Outdoor masks are just idiotic.
TBH, I've noticed a bit of a resurgence here in the city. It could be because I live in an area of low vaccination and increasing cases, but even when I was picnicking in the inner west on Sunday I noticed that most people wore masks until they got to their spot.
It's just you entitled northern beachers bucking the trend it seems.
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@kiwiwomble when we have clients come into our building when we meet them we are supposed to wear a mask, the amount of times I walk out to reception and then have to turn around and grab one from my desk!
I am quite surprised how many I see wearing them here when walking outside or around town.
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But personally I do think Sweden's mask policies are probably ok, good, fair enough.
Reccommend rather than mandate.
90% of people do, just for social pressure reasons or even genuine health concerns. Once we have moved from elimination, 90% is probably enough to flatten curves.
Just looking at the streets in Wellington & Wairarapa (from my experiences), it is not mandatory but kazillions of people are wearing them, and there isn't even covid within about 600kms.
Admittedly. We've had it mandated on public transport for 8 months, and behaviour seems fine in my experience.
Just don't think we should exhaust energy on or politicise something that 90% will do anyway willingly or slightly grudgingly.
Definitely wouldn't suggest an outdoor mask mandate, personally. Which Israel's seems to have had.
Masks are gooooone here in Sydney. Obvs people have to wear them inside or on public transport, but I reckon you'd be lucky to see more than 5% of people wearing them outside now. I was at Balmoral and Manly beach over the weekend, barely a mask in sight as people picnic, walk, chat to their mates.
Outdoor masks are just idiotic.
TBH, I've noticed a bit of a resurgence here in the city. It could be because I live in an area of low vaccination and increasing cases, but even when I was picnicking in the inner west on Sunday I noticed that most people wore masks until they got to their spot.
It's just you entitled northern beachers bucking the trend it seems.
yeah, guess the air is cleaner and worth inhaling over here mate...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kiwiwomble when we have clients come into our building when we meet them we are supposed to wear a mask, the amount of times I walk out to reception and then have to turn around and grab one from my desk!
I am quite surprised how many I see wearing them here when walking outside or around town.
i does happen, just this morning Mrs Womble text me from the beach to say she'd got that far without hers, first time shes forgotten it in a year and a half, she was running so was exempt anyway but i walked to to meet her for when she finished
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It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
I'm jealous, we are still meant to be wearing them and I do as I don't want to be the non-Japanese that sticks out (more than I already do).
But, even here in Japan, I've started seeing people not wearing them, which is really interesting given how compliant people usually are. On my way to the station (roughly 800 metres) I saw three people not wearing them, all over 50 (so probably double vaxxed) and just doing their thing.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
Was he muttering something about his contrat de sous-marin?
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No. It was before we ganged up with the Convicts and the Seppos to shaft the Frogs.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
But I had a moustache and was wearing a blue and white striped t shirt???
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Yep
Came abroad on Monday evening
Next to no one wearing them in London
Great
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
But I had a moustache and was wearing a blue and white striped t shirt???
You forgot you need at least two of three from wearing a beret, plus onions and/or baguette?
Plus wearing sandals with socks gives you away I hear.
No cultural stereotyping here of course ...
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Yep
Came abroad on Monday evening
Next to no one wearing them in London
Great
Mine’s in my pocket for nowI'd say it's variable e.g. in my leafy and slightly elderly suburb of London ...
If I go to a large supermarket in the daytime the crowd is middle aged+ in general, probably 70-80% masking. Surprisingly high.
If I pop to a mini-market at 10pm, most of the people there are picking up a few things after being in a pub/restaurant. So mainly 20s-30s. Maybe only 20-30% masked.
I wear one in enclosed spaces, but it's for others not me. If I forget it I don't sweat it and I don't judge anyone not wearing one.
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I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again
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@mariner4life I agree all you say ... am provax, as is my teenager thankfully.
But one question - what scientific basis(es) do you follow for vaccinating 12-15 year olds on an individual basis? Reason I ask ...
In the UK the pure medical evidence on vaccinating 12-15 years olds was that it was borderline for them as individuals. It has been finally justified by a higher level medical committee, I think, on mental health reasons and disruption of missing school i.e. still of benefit to an individual child ... on balance. Mmmmmm, okay.
I'm wondering if there will be a push to vaccinate 5-11 year olds downstream, based on "something slightly concocted", but actually for societal and healthcare system protection.
Even if I were a parent of a 5-11 year old kid, I wouldn't necessarily say no it as long as a government is being transparent. BUT if I was doubtful and felt my government was misleading me, it would put me off vaccinating a younger child.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
1 million fucking %
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again
It’s never been about catching it.
it’s been about overwhelming the health services.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again
I'm interested in NZ, if a 12-15 year old kid disagrees with their parents on being vaccinated or not, how does it work/will it work?
In the UK there is a cornerstone legal-medical principle based on case-law precedent called "Gillick competency" which is applied to allow adolescents to access things like contraception or abortion without parental approval - as long as a doctor agrees they are Gillick competent.
(If our UK government bypasses this for CoVid ... I would find it very very problematic indeed)