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And Root scores another ton. 6 in the year thus far. With another 5 tests plus this second innings to go, this could be some year for him. I think the record in a calendar year is 9?
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@catogrande said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
Anderson has played more tests in his 30s than nearly any NZer will play in their entire career
Also, my all time attack of Paddles, McGrath and my boy Curtly are all gonna play in that team until their retirement. Look at their fucking records!
Surprised to see the name Malcolm Marshall not being there but Wikipedia tells me he played his last test at 33.
Despite periods of being quite a shit team England are ALWAYS gonna have the luxury of five test series which we never get so not surprised in the slightest their guys play a shitload more than ours.
Both interesting points and I’d add in another. So much depends on who you play for. Take Marshall. Fantastic player with a great record but he was always competing for wickets with some other all time greats. Compare to Hadlee who pretty much carried the NZ attack for most of his time with much less competition for wickets. That would have an impact upon the numbers. Looking through the other end of the telescope though and concentrating on averages, if you have guys at the other end that are world class, that adds significant pressure on the batsmen which must help the averages overall.
To me this explains something of Hadlee’s aggregate of wickets but makes his average stick out like the dog’s bollocks.
It also makes you think how other bowlers or batsmen might have fared in the great WI or Aus sides. After all, if you never have to bowl to Lara or Richards/Ponting or Hayden and never have to face Ambrose and Marshall/Warne and McGrath, how much better would you look. Interest to ponder.
For sure. Joel Garner took 259 wickets in 58 tests which in itself isn’t a massive amount but check his average. Again, fighting for wickets with Marshall, Holding, Roberts, Croft etc ( as opposed to Chatfield, Morrison, L Cairns, Snedden etc ) meant I’m sure his career was littered with figures of 2-40, 3-60 etc. Just the 7 “Michelle’s” in that lot too but his average was 20.98 ! Absolutely exceptional stuff. If you’re picking a first change bowler in an all time team ( effectively an all time Wagner ) then Garner would surely be your go to guy.
@catogrande said in Other Cricket:
And Root scores another ton. 6 in the year thus far. With another 5 tests plus this second innings to go, this could be some year for him. I think the record in a calendar year is 9?
There was an article on Wisden saying Root is only the SECOND Englishman to average over 50 in tests while scoring more than 7000 test runs ( the legendary Walter Hammond is the other ).
Guess who else has done that ? Our boy KW. It’s funny when you delve into specific stats and things like that pop up. Greats like Sutcliffe, Hobbs, Hutton, Barrington etc might have averaged a bit more but it’s so awesome to think our little master has eclipsed them for the amount of runs he’s got.
Root is in rare form ( the recent contrast with Kohli is massive ) and has put his membership firmly back in the big four of modern batting greats.
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Been channel surfing through some old Aus v India on Foxtel from 1991/92.
I recall why we regarded the Aussie umpires as blatant cheats. It wasn't even close.
Thank goodness for:
- Neutral umpires
- DRS
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@booboo said in Other Cricket:
Been channel surfing through some old Aus v India on Foxtel from 1991/92.
I recall why we regarded the Aussie umpires as blatant cheats. It wasn't even close.
Thank goodness for:
- Neutral umpires
- DRS
Those 2 innovations have been fantastic.
With neutral umpires it means ICC employ the top 12 umpires to officiate in all tests (before covid). If using the old system and all 10 (actually, 12 now) test nations employed their own top 2 or 3 or 4 umpires for their tests - we are reaching down to somewhere between 30th up to possibly 48th umpire.
DRS has also sharpened the umpiring via self learning from hawkeye. The amount of outside leg stump, or too high LBWs you used to see were quite amazing. On the contra, too many straight ones used to be adjudged missing leg.
Also, the amount of incorrect inside edge to keepers has almost been eliminated. Almost always were noise from touching a pad or clothing.
Let alone, removing the home umpire aggro, tourists sense of victimisation etc. Umpires employed by their home board have a different incentive to those employed by ICC.
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@booboo said in Other Cricket:
Been channel surfing through some old Aus v India on Foxtel from 1991/92.
I recall why we regarded the Aussie umpires as blatant cheats. It wasn't even close.
Thank goodness for:
- Neutral umpires
- DRS
Yeah I dunno if we can completely blame the umpires on scoreboards like this
AUS vs NZ Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Test at Hobart, November 26 - 29, 1993
Get cricket scorecard of 2nd Test, AUS vs NZ, New Zealand tour of Australia 1993/94 at Bellerive Oval, Hobart dated November 26 - 29, 1993.
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@rotated said in Other Cricket:
So much wrong with that batting order Morrison at 9. Dipak as a test 5 (even though he was regularly batting 3 or 4 for Auckland in Shell Trophy). Harry playing as a specialist batsman at 6.
Oz only going in with two seamers too ! from memory this was just before Warne became amazing cos Tim May was certainly a pretty ordinary player…..
More than enough to skittle our pathetic line up though, Christ on a bike what dark days those were.
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@rotated said in Other Cricket:
So much wrong with that batting order Morrison at 9. Dipak as a test 5 (even though he was regularly batting 3 or 4 for Auckland in Shell Trophy). Harry playing as a specialist batsman at 6.
Oz only going in with two seamers too ! from memory this was just before Warne became amazing cos Tim May was certainly a pretty ordinary player…..
More than enough to skittle our pathetic line up though, Christ on a bike what dark days those were.
I'm not even opening that. I don't need to be reminded.
Deadset, considering the Sports teams i have been "lucky" enough to support, i have fucking earned the All Blacks.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@rotated said in Other Cricket:
So much wrong with that batting order Morrison at 9. Dipak as a test 5 (even though he was regularly batting 3 or 4 for Auckland in Shell Trophy). Harry playing as a specialist batsman at 6.
Oz only going in with two seamers too ! from memory this was just before Warne became amazing cos Tim May was certainly a pretty ordinary player…..
More than enough to skittle our pathetic line up though, Christ on a bike what dark days those were.
I'm not even opening that. I don't need to be reminded.
Deadset, considering the Sports teams i have been "lucky" enough to support, i have fucking earned the All Blacks.
I think the Black Caps now is more apt…..I remember seeing so much of this on TV, it was actually before Australia became a massive world force too just to make things even more galling. Only three legends in that team…..
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
More than enough to skittle our pathetic line up though, Christ on a bike what dark days those were.
Once Crowe and Cairns went down after the first test that batting order became mighty short.
The pop gun pace attack sticks out for me; Watson, Su'a, de Grown, early Simon Doull all getting a run that series.
We the came home and legends like Michael Owens, Heath David and Kerry Walmsley fill in while Cairns and Nash are in and out with injury.
Hard times.
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@rotated said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
More than enough to skittle our pathetic line up though, Christ on a bike what dark days those were.
Once Crowe and Cairns went down after the first test that batting order became mighty short.
The pop gun pace attack sticks out for me; Watson, Su'a, de Grown, early Simon Doull all getting a run that series.
We the came home and legends like Michael Owens, Heath David and Kerry Walmsley fill in while Cairns and Nash are in and out with injury.
Hard times.
Very harsh assessment on the bowlers. The batsmen got off easy !
Jones stands out like Bradman compared to those turkeys. Him and Doull were about the only ones remotely near the top echelon of top NZ players. Greatbatch and Morrison were decent in patches, the rest were absolute journeymen.
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@godder said in Other Cricket:
Harris was the epitome of the phenomenon who just couldn't make it in test cricket. One of our greatest ODI players and fielders, and he was putting up monster first class 4 day batting figures, but he just couldn't do it in tests.
Yeah his first class batting stats indicate that he should have done considerably better at test level. But then again he was a bit of a “here and there” all rounder at ODI level too.
Terrific fielder but that alone doesn’t make you a legend.
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@godder said in Other Cricket:
Harris was the epitome of the phenomenon who just couldn't make it in test cricket. One of our greatest ODI players and fielders, and he was putting up monster first class 4 day batting figures, but he just couldn't do it in tests.
Yeah his first class batting stats indicate that he should have done considerably better at test level. But then again he was a bit of a “here and there” all rounder at ODI level too.
Terrific fielder but that alone doesn’t make you a legend.
I don't understand the "but" in regards to how it relates to the first sentence? What are you meaning?
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@godder said in Other Cricket:
Harris was the epitome of the phenomenon who just couldn't make it in test cricket. One of our greatest ODI players and fielders, and he was putting up monster first class 4 day batting figures, but he just couldn't do it in tests.
Yeah his first class batting stats indicate that he should have done considerably better at test level. But then again he was a bit of a “here and there” all rounder at ODI level too.
Terrific fielder but that alone doesn’t make you a legend.
I don't understand the "but" in regards to how it relates to the first sentence? What are you meaning?
Fuck knows, it pays not to analyse my posts on here too much.
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4th Test underway between England and India at the Oval. I keep expecting India to relent and include Ashwin, but as the Cricinfo preview and then S K Warne put it:
Once is a mistake. Twice is a choice. Three times is a habit. Will India really leave R Ashwin out for the fourth Test in a row?
Ishant Sharma is left out and Ashwin continues to miss out. "Stubborn," is Warne's assessment. "I would have played Ashwin. You don't pick a side just for the first innings - it will turn - and he's got five Test hundreds."
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Recently retired Dale Steyn was certainly some bowler and an absolute all time great. That average was as good as anyone’s in an era where batting averages of 50+ were far more common. He looked like an unhinged psycho too which always helps.
Top ten fast bowlers of all time ? Yeah I’d say so. Others ( purely off the top of my head and factoring ability/longevity ) include our own Paddles, Marshall, Ambrose, Akram, Younis, Imran……Lillee……McGrath…..
Any glaring omissions ?
Really good bowlers like Walsh, Anderson, Donald, Garner, Holding, Roberts, Croft, Bishop might miss out, just not as good or in some cases their careers weren’t long enough.
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Good to see England remembering that they’re actually not a very good team
Jadeja batting five….interesting, decent enough average but just the one hundred and as a bowler his record speaks for itself.
ENG vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 4th Test at London, September 02 - 06, 2021
Get cricket scorecard of 4th Test, ENG vs IND, India tour of England 2021-2022 at Kennington Oval, London dated September 02 - 06, 2021.
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You’re right. We are actually not very good. Our batting line up consists of Joe Root and we keep picking “samey” bowlers (Anderson aside), that look good in the right conditions but without any help from the pitch or some swing, are little more than trundlers. Oh and we manage to drop a fuck tonne of catches too.
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@catogrande said in Other Cricket:
You’re right. We are actually not very good. Our batting line up consists of Joe Root and we keep picking “samey” bowlers (Anderson aside), that look good in the right conditions but without any help from the pitch or some swing, are little more than trundlers. Oh and we manage to drop a fuck tonne of catches too.
Do you reckon England’s recent obsession with the “hundred” is to blame ? As you say Joe Root aside ( who’s form of late has been incredible ) who is a genuine test class batsman ? There’s no one even close to such fine recent players like Cook, Collingwood, Bell etc to dig them out if Root fails which he will every now and again. But then this is exactly what could happen to the BCs in a few years so I’m enjoying our success which as a long suffering fan I have earnt.
I genuinely think Australia are a good chance to hammer them 5-0 in the Ashes this year.
Here’s an interesting stat for you all, our boy Dan Vettori has taken more test wickets than any English spinner. Quite amazing when you look at our history compared to Englands.
