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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank I guess they are constantly developing/updating the vaccine so ultimately could end up like the normal flu and become an annual Vax, and could they end up having a single one for both covid and normal flu, like MMR vaccine?
Will people eventually build up an immunity to a point it ends up being no more than the normal flu (that some claimed it was already)
That'll take fucken years and years.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank I guess they are constantly developing/updating the vaccine so ultimately could end up like the normal flu and become an annual Vax, and could they end up having a single one for both covid and normal flu, like MMR vaccine?
Will people eventually build up an immunity to a point it ends up being no more than the normal flu (that some claimed it was already)
That'll take fucken years and years.
didn't they say that at first about COVID vaccines, you might be right but you never know if it stay at the front of people minds
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank speaking of which
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_and_Years_(TV_series)
this was a great watch for future dystopian societal decay, and that was pre covid!
Oooh, never heard of this, worth a watch?
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kid-chocolate i really didn;t want to bite but you do know there is a different between dying due to something you've done... like swimming, and therefor accepting the consequences of your actions...and dying of COVID which you caught from doing nothing special other than being in a supermarket or something...theyre not apple and apples
i realise eventually we'll have to accept living with it but i dont think trivialising it is necessary
Maybe I am trivializing it. Maybe. When the average age of a Covid fatality is higher than the average life expectancy of the average citizen, maybe. When the average BMI of a Covid ICU and/or fatality is 100 lbs heavier than me, maybe. If people want to check their brains at the door and believe this is the 2nd-coming of the Black Plague, don’t let me stop them. They can stay scared. It’s their preference.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo not that I take too much notice of IMDB ratings, but this is rated pretty highly, 8.3/10 with 26,000 people rating it, I will will be looking to add this to my watch list
yep, I'm in! I have a min IMDB threshold of 7, so this qualifies!
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@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kid-chocolate i really didn;t want to bite but you do know there is a different between dying due to something you've done... like swimming, and therefor accepting the consequences of your actions...and dying of COVID which you caught from doing nothing special other than being in a supermarket or something...theyre not apple and apples
i realise eventually we'll have to accept living with it but i dont think trivialising it is necessary
Maybe I am trivializing it. Maybe. When the average age of a Covid fatality is higher than the average life expectancy of the average citizen, maybe. When the average BMI of a Covid ICU and/or fatality is 100 lbs heavier than me, maybe. If people want to check their brains at the door and believe this is the 2nd-coming of the Black Plague, don’t let me stop them. They can stay scared. It’s their preference.
....once again...you realise there is a middle ground between "its the end of the world" and "lots of stuff can kill you so dont worry"
its not just about the death toll, there are still question marks around the long term health issues and if im honest..."the worst flu ive ever experienced" which is effectively something i heard lots of times....is still something i personally am keen to avoid, we use to tell people not to come to work when they were sick before COVID
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In shitty news of COVID fucking up life, just enough to make you really depressed, my wife’s grandmother just died.
Not of COVID, just old age. But, she had to die alone as no-one was allowed into the hospital to see her once she got admitted.
Even her double-jabbed sister who could have had tests every day? Nope.
So off you go all alone lady. Thanks for paying your taxes for the better part of 80 years.
Its the second member of her family to die that way and it leaves behind a pretty heartbroken family.
Imagine not being able to see your Mum before she dies?
That’s the situation two of my wife’s family have had in the last two months. They are all double-jabbed, incredibly careful people, and they just don’t deserve it.
All while Japan puts on a fucking sporting event.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
In shitty news of COVID fucking up life, just enough to make you really depressed, my wife’s grandmother just died.
Not of COVID, just old age. But, she had to die alone as no-one was allowed into the hospital to see her once she got admitted.
Even her double-jabbed sister who could have had tests every day? Nope.
So off you go all alone lady. Thanks for paying your taxes for the better part of 80 years.
Its the second member of her family to die that way and it leaves behind a pretty heartbroken family.
Imagine not being able to see your Mum before she dies?
That’s the situation two of my wife’s family have had in the last two months. They are all double-jabbed, incredibly careful people, and they just don’t deserve it.
All while Japan puts on a fucking sporting event.
That's tough, very tough and I struggle to comprehend having to go through that
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
In shitty news of COVID fucking up life, just enough to make you really depressed, my wife’s grandmother just died.
Not of COVID, just old age. But, she had to die alone as no-one was allowed into the hospital to see her once she got admitted.
Even her double-jabbed sister who could have had tests every day? Nope.
So off you go all alone lady. Thanks for paying your taxes for the better part of 80 years.
Its the second member of her family to die that way and it leaves behind a pretty heartbroken family.
Imagine not being able to see your Mum before she dies?
That’s the situation two of my wife’s family have had in the last two months. They are all double-jabbed, incredibly careful people, and they just don’t deserve it.
All while Japan puts on a fucking sporting event.
It’s a worldwide fucking disgrace not just Japan’s
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@kid-chocolate 100%
I think the huge amount of fear around this virus has been engineered in such a strange way. daily updates on cases and constant news updates. I Hardly watch tv because of this. I saw the 30 year old Australian mother (sad but obese are 60% of the deaths), highlighted the other day, all seems done to make people scared and get the vaccine and obey the rules.
We have had a year to deal with this after a successful first lockdown. Train 15000 temporary covid nurses from all the annoying preachy losers on social media. Build some temporary or permanent medical centers from the 40 billion dollar fund that went into residential housing markets. Fund some fitness and nutrition for the country (dramatically increase immunity). Open up and deal with this very low fatality rate virus. lock down the immuno-compromised and elderly. pay their staff bonus pay to not break conditions.
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kid-chocolate 100%
I think the huge amount of fear around this virus has been engineered in such a strange way. daily updates on cases and constant news updates. I Hardly watch tv because of this. I saw the 30 year old Australian mother (sad but obese are 60% of the deaths), highlighted the other day, all seems done to make people scared and get the vaccine and obey the rules.
We have had a year to deal with this after a successful first lockdown. Train 15000 temporary covid nurses from all the annoying preachy losers on social media. Build some temporary or permanent medical centers from the 40 billion dollar fund that went into residential housing markets. Fund some fitness and nutrition for the country (dramatically increase immunity). Open up and deal with this very low fatality rate virus. lock down the immuno-compromised and elderly. pay their staff bonus pay to not break conditions.
Much of what you say chimes with me but you are really outlining long term plans. Whilst obesity and Vit D deficiency appear to be comorbidities you cannot simply get thin or get required Vit D levels overnight. There are no instant magic bullets for either. So if your plan is to solve those two issues in society (laudable) it will take a long time and meanwhile people will die, people will get severely ill, hospitals will fill up and the health service will start creaking.
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@catogrande I'm referring to NZ specifically here. We had a year, with a closed border policy. but we didn't build up any internal defense just hope Covid would go away or something.
I understand trying to get everyone fit is impossible, but a lot of the messaging of the lockdowns is stay home to protect others team of 5 million etc etc. I would reverse this and put it on people, whilst we had the time, to get healthy as much as they could, pump money into programs, pay per kilo haha. Because much like people claiming unvaccinated or no obeying lockdown put people at risk, the unhealthy do, more so ,as they are the most likely to put pressure on the hospital system. Could have been great time for a social re think. but maybe i'm dreaming
We had over a year. I think the temporary covid nurses could have been done in that time frame and would be useful for years as pandemic plan, much like the territorial army division -
Your point about putting infrastructure in place is well made. From the outside it looks like NZ have shut their eyes, covered their ears and cried la-la, hoping it will all go away.
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We’re now a year and a half into Covid, with no end in sight.
What really annoys me about gov’t, health officials and state media regularly pointing fingers at “anti-vaxxers” is they won’t extend the same shame to obese people —who are seriously affecting fatality rates and ICUs far beyond the numbers of healthy people whose natural immunity systems offer them as much (if not more) protection than the experimental vaccines. These gov’ts and their media cohort refuse to condemn high BMIs because they have to stay in their politicially-correct lanes and refrain from fat-shaming. Evidence if any was required that our leaders can stamp their feet and blow a lot of smoke, but they’re not really serious. If we really are all in this together, than the fat-bodies need to start pulling their own weight, and our leaders need to be saying as much, pushing the message every day.
If they are vulnerable and at high-risk — and clearly they are, proven as scientific fact — they need to be getting DAILY exercise, resistance training, cardio, and dieting etc.. It’s been well over a year. There are no excuses. Covid doesn’t scare me in the slightest, but I’ve been a good citizen and vaxxed twice to protect fat-bodies and seniors. I’m still wearing a mask and nothing has changed. Fat-bodies need to protect themselves, and make necessary sacrifices for the rest of us. Put down the soda and get on a treadmill already ffs.
/End of rant.
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@kid-chocolate what a load of shit.
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