Crusaders 2022
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@crazy-horse they are great at developing and encouraging their own talent unlike other franchises. But I think it is largely circumstantial with players farmed across only 2 unions. The teams with 4 unions have a far harder time, yet keep recruiting from outside in large numbers.
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So yeah, as you lot have reminded me, there have been quite of lot of rumours around the Crusaders chasing players, but bugger all of those players have signed in the end. From memory the Saders have even had losses from their own system. Darry springs to mind as a player they probably would have wanted to keep. But they are not alone in that.
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It's clear the Crusaders can't be accused of poaching . They're probably the franchise who now signs the least players who've been developed or played elsewhere.
The players who have been approached and didn't sign; I don't think that had anything to do with the coach (Robertson), the team or the environment, but more out of loyalty to the franchise they are playing for.
TTT isn't the player who can be accused of loyalty, but nobody can really blame him. He didn't get game time at the Hurricanes, or Chiefs - being stuck behind TJP and Weber. Now he probably won't get game time, because of being stuck behind Drummond and Hall.
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@mariner4life Examples of the contrary?
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@stargazer said in Crusaders 2022:
@mariner4life Examples of the contrary?
gestures broadly at all the non-Christchurch born and bred players in their squad
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@mariner4life Crusaders is the entire northern half of the South Island. And almost all the players not born or schooled there, were developed by their academy. So, the few examples of players not developed by the Crusaders academy are ..?
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@stargazer said in Crusaders 2022:
@mariner4life Crusaders is the entire northern half of the South Island. And almost all the players not born or schooled there, were developed by their academy. So, the few examples of players not developed by the Crusaders academy are ..?
look, you can narrow your definition so you can white knight your little wankbank franchise all you want, but poaching schoolboys is still poaching.
and quite frankly good on them, that's how you build a fucking great team. their talent identification is excellent. Their development programs are excellent. The results speak for themselves. Well done the Crusaders, others should be taking fucking notes, but for some reason don't seem able to
but lets not be silly about trying to paint them as some lily white province of purity. They are professional, not pure.
The elite level players of NZ very rarely move anywhere. Who has? Barrett, Nonu, Dagg...
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@mariner4life Ah okay, then the Blues is full of poached players by default, as they have all their rich schools poaching players from the provinces for them, not to mention the Islands. More than anyone else! And then the Chiefs too, because Hamilton Boys' is full of them, too. They've even poached the entire province of Taranaki from the Canes. Oh, and the Canes with the likes of Scots College. Won't even talk about the Landers, who have them ready made for them.
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@stargazer said in Crusaders 2022:
@mariner4life Ah okay, then the Blues is full of poached players by default, as they have all their rich schools poaching players from the provinces for them, not to mention the Islands. More than anyone else! And then the Chiefs too, because Hamilton Boys' is full of them, too. They've even poached the entire province of Taranaki from the Canes. Oh, and the Canes with the likes of Scots College. Won't even talk about the Landers, who have them ready made for them.
jesus christ, the light just went on
of course they are!!!
if you could just direct me to the
"The Blues don't poach posts" i'll laugh at them too
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@mariner4life said in Crusaders 2022:
"The Blues don't poach posts" i'll laugh at them too
But that's the thing, isn't it. The majority of hate posts on the Fern over the years are directed at the Crusaders with the stupid accusations of being poachers. You never read about other franchises doing the same because the Fern is mostly a Blues wankfest, and to a lesser degree the Chiefs'.
I'm not apologising for being the type of guy who sticks up for people/organisations who are most hated on, falsely accused, made fun of etc. It's who I am (it's been part of the work I've done for years) and has nothing to do with being a supporter of a franchise I'm not even a supporter of. If you'd read my posts about the Canes, you'd know which franchise I'm most frustrated about (and therefore care most about, although I find it hard to call myself a fan). It's also made me the guy who sees the glass half full, where this whole forum is soaked in negativety, criticism etc. The Grumpy Old Men thread could be the name of almost everry thread on the Fern!
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@stargazer said in Crusaders 2022:
@mariner4life said in Crusaders 2022:
"The Blues don't poach posts" i'll laugh at them too
But that's the thing, isn't it. The majority of hate posts on the Fern over the years are directed at the Crusaders with the stupid accusations of being poachers. You never read about other franchises doing the same because the Fern is mostly a Blues wankfest, and to a lesser degree the Chiefs'.
I'm not apologising for being the type of guy who sticks up for people/organisations who are most hated on, falsely accused, made fun of etc. It's who I am (it's been part of the work I've done for years) and has nothing to do with being a supporter of a franchise I'm not even a supporter of. If you'd read my posts about the Canes, you'd know which franchise I'm most frustrated about (and therefore care most about, although I find it hard to call myself a fan). It's also made me the guy who sees the glass half full, where this whole forum is soaked in negativety, criticism etc. The Grumpy Old Men thread could be the name of almost everry thread on the Fern!
no, and don't ever stop, your relentless positivity is totally needed in here.
just don't take the shit people post so seriously. I think (hope) most of it is piss-taking (if it's not, some of you motherfuckers need to talk to someone. Get help).
I wouldn't call it a wankfest for any of it. Pretty much every single fan hates their franchise with a deep unbridled passion. THere are also Hurricanes fans. There are a few hard-core defenders for each, but in the main everyone hates Super rugby, hates the team they "support" and thinks they have shit players and shit coaches. So we take shots at others, the Crusaders is just easy. Fuck could you imagine the shit Auckland would have taken if the Fern existed in the late 80s-late 90s?? God the vitriol. Those fucking cheating poachers! Carrington stepped over the dead ball line the cheating fuck!!!
And the White Knights get relentlessly mocked, even @Kirwan who could ban us all for it. The Crusaders fans just need to accept that winning everything all the time doesn't make you liked.
it makes you fluffybunnies...
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@mariner4life said in Crusaders 2022:
Pretty much every single fan hates their franchise with a deep unbridled passion.
Fucking yes! Every year I get a season ticket, and every year it feels like self abuse ... until at last we win something. But fuck me, it's been a lot of goddamn Shawshank before the redemption. Seeing the complete and total clusterfuck of administration, governance and coaching (BENJI FUCKING MARSHALL) for years makes you a bitter, disillusioned supporter.
It's the Kiwi way. we care, we abuse, but we support, and we show up. And then post after a few wines at 430 on a Friday. Don't judge.
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@nzzp said in Crusaders 2022:
@mariner4life said in Crusaders 2022:
Pretty much every single fan hates their franchise with a deep unbridled passion.
Fucking yes! Every year I get a season ticket, and every year it feels like self abuse ... until at last we win something. But fuck me, it's been a lot of goddamn Shawshank before the redemption. Seeing the complete and total clusterfuck of administration, governance and coaching (BENJI FUCKING MARSHALL) for years makes you a bitter, disillusioned supporter.
It's the Kiwi way. we care, we abuse, but we support, and we show up. And then post after a few wines at 430 on a Friday. Don't judge.
I think TTT will grow in the Crusaders environment it maybe the making of him IMO.
With Hall likely to go to Japan in 2023 there is room for game time coming for him.
Many players underated have gone in to the Crusaders and have grown as players to be much better than rated before the move. -
oops didn't mean to reply to @nzzp so have posted again I think TTT will grow in the Crusaders environment it maybe the making of him IMO.
With Hall likely to go to Japan in 2023 there is room for game time coming for him.
Many players underated have gone in to the Crusaders and have grown as players to be much better than rated before the move.
