Super Rugby Women's Competition
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@mn5 said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Can I be a complete misogynistic arsehole and point out that no one wants to see women play sport unless they look like beach volleyballers ?
No matter how professional they get the blokes are always gonna be fitter, faster, stronger and more skilled overall. So people will watch them instead.
Anyway, must dash the other half is getting my pipe and slippers ready after a hard days work.
Is that what they call "an inconvenient truth"?😉
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@bovidae not sure if this will work unless they play these as curtain-raisers to the men’s Super Rugby teams. I just can’t see them selling enough tickets / getting enough eyes on screens to make this feasible if the games are marketed as seperate events entirely.
Many would disagree, but to me the women’s game isn’t at a high enough standard yet to warrant their own Super competition, especially during a pandemic. I tried watching some of the Farah Palmer Cup the other day and let’s just say I wouldn’t exactly spend my hard earned $$ on the product.
I’m all for growing women’s rugby but rushing a comp like this could end up doing more damage than good. Will be interesting to see what happens and happy to be proven wrong.
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@canes4life said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
I’m all for growing women’s rugby but rushing a comp like this could end up doing more damage than good. Will be interesting to see what happens and happy to be proven wrong.
I coach a female rep team as part of the investment in developing a women's senior competition and I wouldn't pay to watch women's rugby.
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Men's Super Rugby is of a much higher standard than NPC, so women's SR will also be of a much higher standard than FPC.
If these games are stand-alone games, they'll be played at small grounds (e.g. Jerry Collins stadium instead of Sky Stadium; Rugby Park, instead of Christchurch Stadium etc.), so the ticket prices will be much lower.
I'll happily pay for a ticket to a women's SR game, provided it's not at Sky Stadium prices.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Reading an article today, planning is well advanced for a 4-team competition to start in March next year. Teams based in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington and Christchurch. A round-robin and final.
...wait...so i'd have to support the crusaders?...i thought they were trying to attract new fans....
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Reading an article today, planning is well advanced for a 4-team competition to start in March next year. Teams based in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington and Christchurch. A round-robin and final.
...wait...so i'd have to support the crusaders?...i thought they were trying to attract new fans....
They've taken the best Otago players already.
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@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Men's Super Rugby is of a much higher standard than NPC, so women's SR will also be of a much higher standard than FPC.
If these games are stand-alone games, they'll be played at small grounds (e.g. Jerry Collins stadium instead of Sky Stadium; Rugby Park, instead of Christchurch Stadium etc.), so the ticket prices will be much lower.
I'll happily pay for a ticket to a women's SR game, provided it's not at Sky Stadium prices.
Not sure that statement is true. Worst case scenerio is that the standard is exactly the same, because you are assuming that the consolidation of talent will have the same effect as it does in the men's team.
Not sure there is any evidence of that, as it's really early days. Are they training full time like the men? Or this semi-pro still? If semi-pro then it leans more towards the standard being the same.
Has anybody done any research if there is a market for women's rugby? Will women watch it? Will men?
I know that there was alot of talk about the potential ratings for High School rugby, that didn't eventuate either. At the end of the day, there are so many choices for sports fans, you have to have a really good product to steal away eyeballs.
I'm a rugby tragic and find it hard to get through a woman's match, standard is not great and it's like watching rugby in slow motion. Woman's sevens is a bit better, that's reasonably fun to watch.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Reading an article today, planning is well advanced for a 4-team competition to start in March next year. Teams based in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington and Christchurch. A round-robin and final.
...wait...so i'd have to support the crusaders?...i thought they were trying to attract new fans....
They've taken the best Otago players already.
ive got lots of ties to chch..but i just dont think i can do it
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Reading an article today, planning is well advanced for a 4-team competition to start in March next year. Teams based in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington and Christchurch. A round-robin and final.
...wait...so i'd have to support the crusaders?...i thought they were trying to attract new fans....
They've taken the best Otago players already.
ive got lots of ties to chch..but i just dont think i can do it
I know a lot of Otago-ites that feel the same. Best option is to have a different name for the one SI team. Base it in Chch but take games to Nelson, Dunedin etc when they can.
" Southern Pounamu" or something like that might get around the fact that everyone else hates the Crusaders name. -
@kirwan said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Men's Super Rugby is of a much higher standard than NPC, so women's SR will also be of a much higher standard than FPC.
If these games are stand-alone games, they'll be played at small grounds (e.g. Jerry Collins stadium instead of Sky Stadium; Rugby Park, instead of Christchurch Stadium etc.), so the ticket prices will be much lower.
I'll happily pay for a ticket to a women's SR game, provided it's not at Sky Stadium prices.
Not sure that statement is true. Worst case scenerio is that the standard is exactly the same, because you are assuming that the consolidation of talent will have the same effect as it does in the men's team.
Not sure there is any evidence of that, as it's really early days. Are they training full time like the men? Or this semi-pro still? If semi-pro then it leans more towards the standard being the same.
Has anybody done any research if there is a market for women's rugby? Will women watch it? Will men?
I know that there was alot of talk about the potential ratings for High School rugby, that didn't eventuate either. At the end of the day, there are so many choices for sports fans, you have to have a really good product to steal away eyeballs.
I'm a rugby tragic and find it hard to get through a woman's match, standard is not great and it's like watching rugby in slow motion. Woman's sevens is a bit better, that's reasonably fun to watch.
I get the argument that this may be moving too fast but I see it as increasing experience levels which will, in turn, increase skills.
The biggest problem with women's rugby is the amount of games available to get experience. School and Club comps have few teams so players are moving up a level to FPC with very little experience.
Growing the game in visibility will, in turn, increase participation etc etc.
Our top level 7s players show that if you play a often and gain experience you can produce high quality entertainment. -
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Reading an article today, planning is well advanced for a 4-team competition to start in March next year. Teams based in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington and Christchurch. A round-robin and final.
...wait...so i'd have to support the crusaders?...i thought they were trying to attract new fans....
They may not be called the Crusaders ...
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@kirwan said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Men's Super Rugby is of a much higher standard than NPC, so women's SR will also be of a much higher standard than FPC.
If these games are stand-alone games, they'll be played at small grounds (e.g. Jerry Collins stadium instead of Sky Stadium; Rugby Park, instead of Christchurch Stadium etc.), so the ticket prices will be much lower.
I'll happily pay for a ticket to a women's SR game, provided it's not at Sky Stadium prices.
Not sure that statement is true. Worst case scenerio is that the standard is exactly the same, because you are assuming that the consolidation of talent will have the same effect as it does in the men's team.
I made that statement, because I expect them to pick the best players available in the FPC, just like men's SR teams pick the best NPC players (and not the club rugby players that have NPC contracts to fill the roster to have enough players in all positions, but are no way near SR level).
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@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Men's Super Rugby is of a much higher standard than NPC, so women's SR will also be of a much higher standard than FPC.
If these games are stand-alone games, they'll be played at small grounds (e.g. Jerry Collins stadium instead of Sky Stadium; Rugby Park, instead of Christchurch Stadium etc.), so the ticket prices will be much lower.
I'll happily pay for a ticket to a women's SR game, provided it's not at Sky Stadium prices.
Not sure that statement is true. Worst case scenerio is that the standard is exactly the same, because you are assuming that the consolidation of talent will have the same effect as it does in the men's team.
I made that statement, because I expect them to pick the best players available in the FPC, just like men's SR teams pick the best NPC players (and not the club rugby players that have NPC contracts to fill the roster to have enough players in all positions, but are no way near SR level).
Yes, I understand your the point you are trying to make. It's just that it's based on the assumption that the gap between good and bad players is similar between mens and woman's rugby.
If the gap is small, then the standard will be effectively the same.
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@crucial said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@kirwan said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
Men's Super Rugby is of a much higher standard than NPC, so women's SR will also be of a much higher standard than FPC.
If these games are stand-alone games, they'll be played at small grounds (e.g. Jerry Collins stadium instead of Sky Stadium; Rugby Park, instead of Christchurch Stadium etc.), so the ticket prices will be much lower.
I'll happily pay for a ticket to a women's SR game, provided it's not at Sky Stadium prices.
Not sure that statement is true. Worst case scenerio is that the standard is exactly the same, because you are assuming that the consolidation of talent will have the same effect as it does in the men's team.
Not sure there is any evidence of that, as it's really early days. Are they training full time like the men? Or this semi-pro still? If semi-pro then it leans more towards the standard being the same.
Has anybody done any research if there is a market for women's rugby? Will women watch it? Will men?
I know that there was alot of talk about the potential ratings for High School rugby, that didn't eventuate either. At the end of the day, there are so many choices for sports fans, you have to have a really good product to steal away eyeballs.
I'm a rugby tragic and find it hard to get through a woman's match, standard is not great and it's like watching rugby in slow motion. Woman's sevens is a bit better, that's reasonably fun to watch.
I get the argument that this may be moving too fast but I see it as increasing experience levels which will, in turn, increase skills.
The biggest problem with women's rugby is the amount of games available to get experience. School and Club comps have few teams so players are moving up a level to FPC with very little experience.
Growing the game in visibility will, in turn, increase participation etc etc.
Our top level 7s players show that if you play a often and gain experience you can produce high quality entertainment.The build it and they will come argument in short. Considering how poorly funded NZ Rugby is right now, it's a risk to drain finances for these sort of comps without have a clear revenue model to make it sustainable.
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The new four-team competition will officially be launched in the next couple of weeks, but Stuff understands it will consist of three rounds, before the top two teams contest a final.
The quick-fire format is expected to be in place for the first two years, but there are plans for it to morph into an expanded trans- Ta$man competition in the near future.
Three of the four teams will be aligned to the three North Island Super Rugby franchises – the Blues, Chiefs and Hurricanes - while a soon-to-be launched South Island team will be based in Christchurch.
While the Blues and Chiefs are expected to play under the same names and identities as the existing men’s sides, at least initially, it’s understood the Hurricanes are considering change.Teams are in the process of finalising their squads, which will consist of 28 players and be revealed next month.
As is the case in men’s Super Rugby, players sign with New Zealand Rugby and are seconded to teams.>There is expected to be a required number of players from each team’s home region, while a player draft, much like the one in the early days of men’s Super Rugby, will also be utilised.
NZR head of women’s rugby development Cate Sexton has already made it clear it won’t be a full-time commitment for players, requiring them to leave their jobs for three months.
Instead, they will be asked to assemble for brief periods, either Thursday to Sunday or Friday to Monday.
The draw will be released after the reveal of the inaugural Super Rugby Pacific draw, which is understood to be all but finalised, with kickoff set for February 18.
The women’s competition will kickoff the following weekend, with some games likely to be double-headers alongside Super Rugby Pacific games.
However, the South Island team is likely to plan stand-alone games, potentially at smaller regional grounds.
