Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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@darren said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
So as in impartial viewer, what a boring game of rugby.
Only the scoreboard kept it interesting.
It seems in the last couple years and constantly getting worse, with every try we have to spend 5 minutes looking for a reason not to award it, its getting old and really slows the game down.
I would be interested to see how much of the game the ball was out of play, seemed a lot more than usual.
Not a game I would ever bother to re-watch sadly.Disagree on the game - that was a really physical, hard fought game with pretty damn good skills. Very few errors. I thoroughly enjoyed it, the level was a big big step up on what' we've seen so far this year. And it's what you'd expect - quality players lifting for a big series that means something.
Agree with you about the TMO though. At least the refs now let things play out, then figure it out. Reckon they the decisions pretty well got it right as well - but I think Lions 13 was saved by the knock on from Kolbe. @Damo may be able to help, but do you really ignore professional fouls (pulling back player) after the initial knockon?
Five minute sin faf de klerk looked very average, with poor kicking, but built nicely. Tom Currie cost three quick penalties and seemed fairly ineffective. Itoje was a mixed bag, but has great length of reach - and if refs let you latch on the ball, why the hell wouldn't you.
Overall thoroughly enjoyable, pity the TMO decisions were all so tight as it took away from the game a bit. Woul dhave loved a crowd there
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@akan004 ah bollocks - yeah< i thought a card would be the right call. It's like head high tackles though, the framework just gets ignored.
Actually, I didn't really mention it, but I thought that was a bad call, in the context of a TMO that went back for a 'head high' that was amrginal earlier in the game.
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@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Le Roux landed on his arm so I was happy with just a penalty. Also, Berry has the final call, not the TMO.
The counterpoint to that is that sort of lift and drive is exactly what's trying to be eliminated form the game. The aggravating factors for me were the intentionality (lifted from a standing position), and particularly the dropping/driving through the tackle. I think YC would be appropriate, but I far far prefer to sanction the action, rather than the outcome (ie lifting, rather than how they land)
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@mn5 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Rassie Erasmus said something nice on twitter which I’d share if I knew how.
You could just tell us?
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
Lions front row struggled to get into the game - suspect it might have been the unit versus individuals because by around 30 minutes they were troubling the SA front row and the SA front row looked tired. Changing the front row at half time wasn't initially noticable because of the Lions success at the start of the second half (kicking, followed by line out, followed by try) but think they did OK for the next 10 minutes until Lions made their own substitutions.
Overall, the two SA front rows look down on fitness versus Lions.
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@junior said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
Sky (Mike Tindell and Nigel Owens) showed an in-depth review - forward pass looked flat from the angles they showed. Offside from the front angle versus overhead/reverse angle shown during the game, accounting for angle of the view showed le Roux's leading foot was in-front of the kicker so looked like Jonker got it right.
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Imagine what an in form England or Boks would do to these teams.
😂😂😂
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Lawes, AWJ and Itoje has been massive for the Lions.
I thought Lawes was terrible and AWJ invisible in the first half. But good second half from all of them.
Ha fucking ha
Lawes should have been MOTM
Then Kwagga
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@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
A better 2nd half and the BIL played at the right end of the field.
As to Jonker, the speed he was making his TMO decisions was a departure from normal. OK if you get the calls right. I also thought that was a forward pass before le Roux was in front.
I'd make a few changes if I was Gatland. Daly looked lightweight at centre. I've said my piece about Sutherland.
Agreed
Sutherland 3rd choice if Wyn Jones is fit
Both Price and Daly were selected on what they’d done previously under a different game plan
Struggled today
But that’s a coaching problem
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Tom Currie cost three quick penalties and seemed fairly ineffective. Itoje was a mixed bag, but has great length of reach - and if refs let you latch on the ball, why the hell wouldn't you.
I thought Curry cost two penalties and one was the late hit on Faf which is kinda worth it....
Kwagga Smith will remember Curry for a while with that first hit in the second half when Smith/le Roux let the ball bounce and Smith cleaned it up - that led to the Lions penalty/line out/try. When Curry was replaced by Hamish Watson, I thought Watson struggled but the game didn't really suit a fetcher and when given the ball Watson was often on the back foot cleaning up rather than being given good ball to run with.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
At half time I'd have said that Daley, Lawes, Price, Hogg and LCD had played themselves out of the test team for next week. But other than Daly they all redeemed themselves in the second.
100%
The quota became the quorum
Should have kept them on longerPrice was playing to script
Should have picked Murray 1.0 insteadDaly was the recipient of slow, shit ball
Hogg should be replaced by Liam Williams for the 2nd Test
LCD a better finisher to Owens
Lawes and Furlong first two names on the sheet
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Both Price and Daly were selected on what they’d done previously under a different game plan
Thought Price was at a similar level to most of his team mates in the first half but his kicking game in the second half really turned things around.
But Lions looked more composed when Conor came on for the last 16 mins.
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@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@junior said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
Sky (Mike Tindell and Nigel Owens) showed an in-depth review - forward pass looked flat from the angles they showed. Offside from the front angle versus overhead/reverse angle shown during the game, accounting for angle of the view showed le Roux's leading foot was in-front of the kicker so looked like Jonker got it right.
Greenwood not Tindall
Now that would be a good scrap if either took offence
My money would be on Tindall
