Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@godder said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@catogrande said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@godder said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Here’s a question to ponder.
If Paddles got picked up by Marty McFly and transported into the future at his peak ( when he was in his 30s ) which of our four pacemen would he displace ?
I mean, he’s fucken Paddles, a better batsman than any of them, better bowler too so no way you don’t select him but which one of our four current champions misses out ?Unpopular as it might seem I’m gonna have to pick Boult.
Colin surely... But of the 4, agree it would be one of the openers, so Boult currently since Southee seems to be getting better with age.
Yep:
- Hadlee
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
- Boult
- Hadlee used to bat 7, Smith 8, Braces 9 in the games that I vaguely remember
- There was always a suspicion that Hadlee could have has a better batting record if he wasn't having to take wickets at an average of 14 so we could win Tests
- Doesn't matter how supposedly "weak" his batting was, with that bowling attack we wouldn't be relying on runs from the tail to win tests
Boult drops out if we need a spinner, but except for in the sub continent, we don't need a spinner with those five.
I don’t get that view that Hadlee’s batting was weak. I saw him playing for Notts at Taunton once and he scored a ton in pretty much one session. Sure he was a bowling all rounder and his stats with the ball over shadow those with the bat, but context is everything. How often did he find himself trying to dig NZ out of the mire accompanied by some definite rabbits? That has to fuck with your stats.
Yep, from memory he had a double ton for Notts as well. I think if he’d been in a more balanced NZ side, his batting stats would be even better.
I’m aware Jamieson has a much higher batting average so far, but I didn’t hesitate to put Paddles at 7 in the theoretical lineup from what I remember of his batting.
His average at 7 was 32 and was just over 30 for the last 10 years of his career. He's no Colin de Grandhomme, but he could bat a bit...
Averages back then we’re much lower all round too.
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@godder said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@godder said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Here’s a question to ponder.
If Paddles got picked up by Marty McFly and transported into the future at his peak ( when he was in his 30s ) which of our four pacemen would he displace ?
I mean, he’s fucken Paddles, a better batsman than any of them, better bowler too so no way you don’t select him but which one of our four current champions misses out ?Unpopular as it might seem I’m gonna have to pick Boult.
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Here’s a question to ponder.
If Paddles got picked up by Marty McFly and transported into the future at his peak ( when he was in his 30s ) which of our four pacemen would he displace ?
I mean, he’s fucken Paddles, a better batsman than any of them, better bowler too so no way you don’t select him but which one of our four current champions misses out ?Unpopular as it might seem I’m gonna have to pick Boult.
Colin surely... But of the 4, agree it would be one of the openers, so Boult currently since Southee seems to be getting better with age.
I said Pacemen not placeholders
But yeah, he could bat seven at a pinch
Having just said Boult, imagine batsmen trying to face Hadlee at one end, and then the lefty at the other. In terms of like for like, replacing Southee would also make sense.
The thing I like about Southee is his variation. Given Paddles relentlessness, I’d take Southee over Boult.
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Good article. Not just because it praises NZ.
Very good.
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Day three, and the warm glow of that win just gets better and better.
2019 will always feel horrendous to think of (given some of the references back to it over the last week), but there’s now this nice sense of victory to help cancel it out straight away.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
If they'd played better in 2019 we would have been dual champions....
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
If they'd played better in 2019 we would have been dual champions....
Maybe it’s just me but a test championship is worth a fuck ton more than an ODI one. I’m happy.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
If they'd played better in 2019 we would have been dual champions....
Maybe it’s just me but a test championship is worth a fuck ton more than an ODI one. I’m happy.
Yeah. But just saying. Guppy was pants for the entire tourney, and that deflection off the bat at the death was farcical
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
If they'd played better in 2019 we would have been dual champions....
Maybe it’s just me but a test championship is worth a fuck ton more than an ODI one. I’m happy.
Yeah. But just saying. Guppy was pants for the entire tourney, and that deflection off the bat at the death was farcical
Fair call. Both trophies would be even better !
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
Well CDG was in the XI so I'm not sure that was a requirement.
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
If they'd played better in 2019 we would have been dual champions....
Maybe it’s just me but a test championship is worth a fuck ton more than an ODI one. I’m happy.
Yeah. But just saying. Guppy was pants for the entire tourney, and that deflection off the bat at the death was farcical
Which makes Kane's selection of him to bat the super over all the more strange even if his speed between wickets was a big part of it
It does go to how flaky our batting outside Kane was that tournament that there weren't any great options for that super over. Like what is Munro doing in the side if he isn't an automatic first choice in that role.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still you have to feel a bit for Guppy, Neesham and Ferguson who weren't there. Particularly Gup, that ball terrorized him in the field for the last two overs of the final and the super over and then in the end he was the one run out.
No you don’t. If they were better test players they’d be there.
If they'd played better in 2019 we would have been dual champions....
Maybe it’s just me but a test championship is worth a fuck ton more than an ODI one. I’m happy.
Yeah. But just saying. Guppy was pants for the entire tourney, and that deflection off the bat at the death was farcical
Which makes Kane's selection of him to bat the super over all the more strange even if his speed between wickets was a big part of it
It does go to how flaky our batting outside Kane was that tournament that there weren't any great options for that super over. Like what is Munro doing in the side if he isn't an automatic first choice in that role.
Munro had lost his position opening the batting to Nicholls a few games before the final (rightly so) so was never actually an option for the super over.
