Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@act-crusader said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out 😀
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
Yeah - it's got harder with losing all of last night - and it looks like the sun might actually come out on the last day, which might mitigate against us really swinging it around.
The TAB is now saying draw $1.27, NZ $3.85, India $16
If we bat well in the first session that India $16 is going to get a lot bigger very quickly!!!
We've just about got one hand on the Cup lads. That might be all that we get - but, in my Jacobite view of the CWC, we've got one hand on the ODI Cup as well. If the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune not so blatantly favoured the New Zealander, Stokes, King Kane would be safely ruling over that Empire as well!
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@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here. -
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune not so blatantly favoured the New Zealander, Stokes, King Kane would be safely ruling over that Empire as well!
I, for one, welcome our new Kane overlords
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.I'm sure we will have a crack at forcing a result.
We don't need to go for it from ball one though. Just bat normally for the first session and hope to keep wickets in hand. All going well, we should have our noses in front an hour after lunch - and could still potentially bat for another 40 overs with a gradual acceleration.
All going according to my plan,
we could be 200 ahead.Leave the Indians a tricky little 10 overs before close of play - and hopefully another 98 overs tomorrow.
That's quite a few more overs than they batted in the first innings - and we have 10 wicket in the shed to slog any deficit at the end.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.I'm sure we will have a crack at forcing a result.
We don't need to go for it from ball one though. Just bat normally for the first session and hope to keep wickets in hand. All going well, we should have our noses in front an hour after lunch - and could still potentially bat for another 40 overs with a gradual acceleration.
All going according to my plan,
we could be 200 ahead.Leave the Indians a tricky little 10 overs before close of play - and hopefully another 98 overs tomorrow.
That's quite a few more overs than they batted in the first innings - and we have 10 wicket in the shed to slog any deficit at the end.
Sound plan. We have the bowling firepower to force a result. If there is assistance I'd like to think that Southee and Boult will be better next innings. The Indians struggle with Kylo, and Wags can manufacture something through his sheer will and his rage
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In my view, the worst thing would be to try and force from the start if play does start on time tomorrow. It's a tough pitch to bat on and you have to work hard for your runs. NZ objective should be to bat all day, even if that is only to get to 350. Then see if India can cope with the fast bowler barrage for a whole day with no prospect of victory.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.I'm sure we will have a crack at forcing a result.
We don't need to go for it from ball one though. Just bat normally for the first session and hope to keep wickets in hand. All going well, we should have our noses in front an hour after lunch - and could still potentially bat for another 40 overs with a gradual acceleration.
All going according to my plan,
we could be 200 ahead.Leave the Indians a tricky little 10 overs before close of play - and hopefully another 98 overs tomorrow.
That's quite a few more overs than they batted in the first innings - and we have 10 wicket in the shed to slog any deficit at the end.
It's the last bit that concerns me as a nervous nellie that we could go tits up chasing a small target if those footmarks come into play.
The first part is good but I reckon we need to chance our arm for 10-12 overs if possible and go the smash. 250 lead minimum.
I'd like to see them taken out of the win equation and trying to survive.
If nothing else we get the moral victory.
It annoys me that Kohli implied that this game means little as everyone already knows who the best team in the world is. I'd like that 'best team' to be fighting for a draw. -
@majorrage that may be one of the worst sports "articles" i have ever read
it reads like a bunch of posts on a sports forum from a slightly older, slightly demented member.
Fuck off Mark, no one likes you.
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@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage that may be one of the worst sports "articles" i have ever read
it reads like a bunch of posts on a sports forum from a slightly older, slightly demented member.
Fuck off Mark, no one likes you.
But, he invented the Ageas Bowl. Without that awesome article no one outside Hampshire would have known this.
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I think we want to try to play assertively but not recklessly. We are in the box seat right now, and we want to shut India out of winning the game. At the same time if we can put ourselves in a position to try and win then great. But we don't want to chase a win only to let them back in chance
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.I'm sure we will have a crack at forcing a result.
We don't need to go for it from ball one though. Just bat normally for the first session and hope to keep wickets in hand. All going well, we should have our noses in front an hour after lunch - and could still potentially bat for another 40 overs with a gradual acceleration.
All going according to my plan,
we could be 200 ahead.Leave the Indians a tricky little 10 overs before close of play - and hopefully another 98 overs tomorrow.
That's quite a few more overs than they batted in the first innings - and we have 10 wicket in the shed to slog any deficit at the end.
It's the last bit that concerns me as a nervous nellie that we could go tits up chasing a small target if those footmarks come into play.
The first part is good but I reckon we need to chance our arm for 10-12 overs if possible and go the smash. 250 lead minimum.
I'd like to see them taken out of the win equation and trying to survive.
If nothing else we get the moral victory.I think the only way we lose from here is if we get bowled out very cheaply from here and then bowl the Indians out cheaply - and then get skittled chasing a very low score (¬150).
But, I really want us to remain completely ascendant from here for similar reasons - zero suggestion that it was us saved by rain.
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@rapido said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage that may be one of the worst sports "articles" i have ever read
it reads like a bunch of posts on a sports forum from a slightly older, slightly demented member.
Fuck off Mark, no one likes you.
But, he invented the Ageas Bowl. Without that awesome article no one outside Hampshire would have known this.
The fact he decides to bring up that South Africa would have played the West Indies in the 80s in the final of a competition that hadn’t been invented between two teams, one of whom wasn’t even allowed to play then, is astonishingly irrelevant horseshit.
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think this article by Aussie arse kissing Pom Mark Nicholas sums up the coverage so far absolutely perfect.
Waxing lyrical about the Indian player consistently, disappointment when they get out, many an anecdote about pretty much so all teams that play the game apart from NZ, and then a couple of lines dropped in to mention the opposition (who are arguably ahead in this test).
Commentators get emotionally attached to the "royalty" of the game. Get a bit stuck in the past.
Kind of like in tennis with Federer being overtaken by Djokovic, many found that hard to accept. -
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@nzzp said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Sky Sport is a step backwards in terms of easy access to watch this game. Spark had hour long highlights packages, and full replays on demand. Sky don't seem to have this, it's pretty annoying
Sparks cricket coverage is brilliant.
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think we want to try to play assertively but not recklessly. We are in the box seat right now, and we want to shut India out of winning the game. At the same time if we can put ourselves in a position to try and win then great. But we don't want to chase a win only to let them back in chance
This is the right of it - a draw is a shared championship, no need to go all out just yet and risk that.
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@act-crusader said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out 😀
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
I agree that a draw is the most likely outcome.
I also believe that if everything goes horribly wrong for us on this innings, (like all out for 150) a draw is still very likely. India will still need to bat cautiously because if they collapse we probably can chase them down.
Where we perhaps differ is that I believe if we go really well (by scoring really quickly) there is a plausible prospect that we can win.
In other words, while I believe draw is by far the most likely result, us winning is a much better bet than us losing. Hence we should take some risks - even undue ones.
I am serious that we should try and score at 4 an over + from the start tonight and see what happens. The risk is worth it imo.
