Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Come on Wags, bowl like someone just kicked your cat
Perfect man to bring on
I'd like him to give them a bit of the short stuff as well, just to force them back in the crease. Who needs swashbuckling stroke play? This test cricket is compelling
I don't agree. That would leak some runs. I reckon we are doing very well starving them of runs. Even if we aren't taking wickets we are frustrating the hell out of them and they aren't progressing their score.
Love the short stuff. Love Wags 💘
Damo read the post. You specifically said that Wags bowling short stuff would leak runs, ie not a good idea. Case dismissed
Nah, the comment which has forever sullied my reputation amongst all who saw was that I allegedly suggested Kyle Jamieson be dropped ahead of Matt Henry.
My reputation can never recover from that slight.
Edit.
Ah I see what you mean.
Carry on. I only read the second bit and thought the worst.
I guess you gonna plead truth.
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@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Come on Wags, bowl like someone just kicked your cat
Perfect man to bring on
I'd like him to give them a bit of the short stuff as well, just to force them back in the crease. Who needs swashbuckling stroke play? This test cricket is compelling
I don't agree. That would leak some runs. I reckon we are doing very well starving them of runs. Even if we aren't taking wickets we are frustrating the hell out of them and they aren't progressing their score.
Love the short stuff. Love Wags 💘
Damo read the post. You specifically said that Wags bowling short stuff would leak runs, ie not a good idea. Case dismissed
Nah, the comment which has forever sullied my reputation amongst all who saw was that I allegedly suggested Kyle Jamieson be dropped ahead of Matt Henry.
My reputation can never recover from that slight.
Edit.
Ah I see what you mean.
Carry on. I only read the second bit and thought the worst.
I guess you gonna plead truth.
Another storm in a fern teacup
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Come on Wags, bowl like someone just kicked your cat
Perfect man to bring on
I'd like him to give them a bit of the short stuff as well, just to force them back in the crease. Who needs swashbuckling stroke play? This test cricket is compelling
I don't agree. That would leak some runs. I reckon we are doing very well starving them of runs. Even if we aren't taking wickets we are frustrating the hell out of them and they aren't progressing their score.
Love the short stuff. Love Wags 💘
Damo read the post. You specifically said that Wags bowling short stuff would leak runs, ie not a good idea. Case dismissed
Nah, the comment which has forever sullied my reputation amongst all who saw was that I allegedly suggested Kyle Jamieson be dropped ahead of Matt Henry.
My reputation can never recover from that slight.
Edit.
Ah I see what you mean.
Carry on. I only read the second bit and thought the worst.
I guess you gonna plead truth.
Another storm in a fern teacup
Haha well to be fair I was kinda boozed, that is an absolute defence on the Fern is it not? Especially on a match thread.
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@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Come on Wags, bowl like someone just kicked your cat
Perfect man to bring on
I'd like him to give them a bit of the short stuff as well, just to force them back in the crease. Who needs swashbuckling stroke play? This test cricket is compelling
I don't agree. That would leak some runs. I reckon we are doing very well starving them of runs. Even if we aren't taking wickets we are frustrating the hell out of them and they aren't progressing their score.
Love the short stuff. Love Wags 💘
Damo read the post. You specifically said that Wags bowling short stuff would leak runs, ie not a good idea. Case dismissed
Nah, the comment which has forever sullied my reputation amongst all who saw was that I allegedly suggested Kyle Jamieson be dropped ahead of Matt Henry.
My reputation can never recover from that slight.
Edit.
Ah I see what you mean.
Carry on. I only read the second bit and thought the worst.
I guess you gonna plead truth.
Another storm in a fern teacup
Haha well to be fair I was kinda boozed, that is an absolute defence on the Fern is it not? Especially on a match thread.
The perfect defence
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@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Nasser Hussain is good value as a commentator. Enjoy his work.
He is the best. Really like Nasser. My favourite was he called out Allan Border for the sledging that went on when he was captain. Great stuff when it’s live commentary. Allan said nothing from memory.
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https://retro.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Southampton/hour_by_hour.html
Here's what the Norwegians have to say for Southampton.
Anything less than 1mm per hour is just misty drizzle and could easily not eventuate or just be occasional showers.
Probably take some time to get the field ready when it stops, so I'd say at best we'll get 3 hours today - but, we could easily get nothing.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
https://retro.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Southampton/hour_by_hour.html
Here's what the Norwegians have to say for Southampton.
Anything less than 1mm per hour is just misty drizzle and could easily not eventuate or just be occasional showers.
Probably take some time to get the field ready when it stops, so I'd say at best we'll get 3 hours today - but, we could easily get nothing.
Optimistic. This from Cric Info
There's an expectation the match officials may take a call quickly this morning, rather than wait the entire afternoon." All of which tells you there's scant optimism for getting on the field today.
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Early night tonight guys. No chance of play at all.
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Two full days is enough time for us to get a result, but maybe not India unless they really roll through us for 50 odd. We could in theory bat a day and end up with a lead of 150ish, then put them in on the final day and have a fair old crack at them.
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I think this article by Aussie arse kissing Pom Mark Nicholas sums up the coverage so far absolutely perfect.
Waxing lyrical about the Indian player consistently, disappointment when they get out, many an anecdote about pretty much so all teams that play the game apart from NZ, and then a couple of lines dropped in to mention the opposition (who are arguably ahead in this test).
Modern heroes of the game light up historic Rose Bowl
History, conversations, duels, drama, and a blanket of cloud featured on the first two days of the biggest occasion in Test cricket
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think this article by Aussie arse kissing Pom Mark Nicholas sums up the coverage so far absolutely perfect.
Maybe my most hated commentator in any sport, and I hate a lot of commentators.
Just a consistently shocking level of obsequiousness, constantly sucking aussie cock.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Two full days is enough time for us to get a result, but maybe not India unless they really roll through us for 50 odd. We could in theory bat a day and end up with a lead of 150ish, then put them in on the final day and have a fair old crack at them.
I reckon we need to take a few risks. Try to score a quick 220 in a couple of sessions.
There isn't really that much risk to us of losing. Let's say we go too hard and get rolled for 50 more.
So we are then 60 behind with 5 and a half sessions to play. India will want to score at least another 240 to set us 300 to win in a day or just under. Doesn't seem very likely to me that they can do this or would even try. I don't see many credible paths to a defeat, but I can see a credible path to victory.
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
They've got to move forward with a week or 8 days to finish this format-saving WTC concept. Timeless tests were once the norm.
Special playing conditions for the final would be universally embraced and removes test cricket's only real Achilles heel.A timeless test to decide the final would be awesome. Nowhere to hide for either team, the ultimate test.
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@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Two full days is enough time for us to get a result, but maybe not India unless they really roll through us for 50 odd. We could in theory bat a day and end up with a lead of 150ish, then put them in on the final day and have a fair old crack at them.
I reckon we need to take a few risks. Try to score a quick 220 in a couple of sessions.
There isn't really that much risk to us of losing. Let's say we go too hard and get rolled for 50 more.
So we are then 60 behind with 5 and a half sessions to play. India will want to score at least another 240 to set us 300 to win in a day or just under. Doesn't seem very likely to me that they can do this or would even try. I don't see many credible paths to a defeat, but I can see a credible path to victory.
Was contemplating we declare at our current score, and force them to set a target.
I kind of think India would be more scared of loaingthan we are.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
They've got to move forward with a week or 8 days to finish this format-saving WTC concept. Timeless tests were once the norm.
Special playing conditions for the final would be universally embraced and removes test cricket's only real Achilles heel.A timeless test to decide the final would be awesome. Nowhere to hide for either team, the ultimate test.
The issue there is time can be a weapon too.
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@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
They've got to move forward with a week or 8 days to finish this format-saving WTC concept. Timeless tests were once the norm.
Special playing conditions for the final would be universally embraced and removes test cricket's only real Achilles heel.A timeless test to decide the final would be awesome. Nowhere to hide for either team, the ultimate test.
The issue there is time can be a weapon too.
Not if it's only used to counter the weather stopping play. For example, they've factored in 1 extra day, why not factor in 2 or 3. If no rain, then just use the original 5 days
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@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Two full days is enough time for us to get a result, but maybe not India unless they really roll through us for 50 odd. We could in theory bat a day and end up with a lead of 150ish, then put them in on the final day and have a fair old crack at them.
I reckon we need to take a few risks. Try to score a quick 220 in a couple of sessions.
There isn't really that much risk to us of losing. Let's say we go too hard and get rolled for 50 more.
So we are then 60 behind with 5 and a half sessions to play. India will want to score at least another 240 to set us 300 to win in a day or just under. Doesn't seem very likely to me that they can do this or would even try. I don't see many credible paths to a defeat, but I can see a credible path to victory.
Was contemplating we declare at our current score, and force them to set a target.
I kind of think India would be more scared of loaingthan we are.
I don't know enough about pitches and how they wear in humidity, but would we really want to be chasing a target on day 6?
Williamson would win world praise for his sportsmanship, but that's the only thing that would be won. If we are going to take a risk, I agree with Damo's risk taking strategy. Up the pace, risk getting rolled for 50 odd more runs and then we are in no worse situation than declaring now.
If we can make 200 more runs in 2 sessions (and that's a massive if) then we are in the box seat. If we can make 250, then we can't really lose.
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@damo Last two days would also in theory be extended days.
But, they don't even need to go that hard until they get their noses in front. If we could retain wickets, then we could gradually accelerate to an almost T20 assault.
Declare with 3.5 sessions remaining and - as you say, we have a credible path to victory and no real chance of losing.
