Super Rugby Women's Competition
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@crucial said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@crucial Nah, at the moment there are not enough players who would be good enough to fill two South Island teams. They will be drawn from FPC squads. This is not a comp that will replace the FPC, but an additional comp for the best players only.
One Mainland team could play home games in both Chch and Dunners. A Mainland team would have a fair bit of Otago players, not just Canterbury (who would obviously have most players). And a small number from Ta$man.
I don't see the difference between players having to move from Dunedin to Chch and players having to move from New Plymouth to Hamilton, or Napier to Wellington.
It's the (expected) semi-pro nature that makes it difficult. Can a player studying at Otago be expected to train and play in Chch? Or a woman holding down a job and family in Napier? Fair enough if they were going to be paid a decent salary and game fee but that isn't going to happen for a while. NP is always going to be an outlier geographically but it is a hell of a difference travelling NP to Hamilton than Invercargill to Chch.
Besides you want to have a women game as curtain raiser to a mens one. Isn't that the idea?If the competition is not fully pro, then players need to live near their base of operations. The South Island is currently almost exactly a quarter of NZ's population. (And way less Polynesians as a percentage, which matters when you are talking rugby.)
It would make sense that it gets a quarter of the teams. To give it two teams means one -- and it would be the Dunedin one -- would be trying to be successful from a base under half of what the other teams would have. It would never work.
Yes, it would suck for those in Invercargill or Dunedin. But those two cities now has about the same number of people as Napier, Hastings and Gisborne combined, and they won't get a team either.
The idea that we should divide NZ up by area no longer flies.
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@chester-draws said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@crucial said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@crucial Nah, at the moment there are not enough players who would be good enough to fill two South Island teams. They will be drawn from FPC squads. This is not a comp that will replace the FPC, but an additional comp for the best players only.
One Mainland team could play home games in both Chch and Dunners. A Mainland team would have a fair bit of Otago players, not just Canterbury (who would obviously have most players). And a small number from Ta$man.
I don't see the difference between players having to move from Dunedin to Chch and players having to move from New Plymouth to Hamilton, or Napier to Wellington.
It's the (expected) semi-pro nature that makes it difficult. Can a player studying at Otago be expected to train and play in Chch? Or a woman holding down a job and family in Napier? Fair enough if they were going to be paid a decent salary and game fee but that isn't going to happen for a while. NP is always going to be an outlier geographically but it is a hell of a difference travelling NP to Hamilton than Invercargill to Chch.
Besides you want to have a women game as curtain raiser to a mens one. Isn't that the idea?If the competition is not fully pro, then players need to live near their base of operations. The South Island is currently almost exactly a quarter of NZ's population. (And way less Polynesians as a percentage, which matters when you are talking rugby.)
It would make sense that it gets a quarter of the teams. To give it two teams means one -- and it would be the Dunedin one -- would be trying to be successful from a base under half of what the other teams would have. It would never work.
Yes, it would suck for those in Invercargill or Dunedin. But those two cities now has about the same number of people as Napier, Hastings and Gisborne combined, and they won't get a team either.
The idea that we should divide NZ up by area no longer flies.
I disagree. Super rugby is franchise rugby. It is as much about presence as representation.
That presence in turn encourages the next level and the junior/school comps and is critical if you want to have a healthy game.
According to your argument Australia would never have had the Brumbies and the Highlanders wouldn’t have existed to just beat the Crusaders. -
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Current Black Ferns loose forward and Bay of Plenty Volcanix captain, Les Elder, will add another feather to her cap after being announced as the captain of the Waitomo Chiefs Women, the first ever New Zealand Super Rugby Women’s team.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/les-elder-named-as-captain-of-the-waitomo-chiefs-women/
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I don't see any misandry in this tweet or the replies, but regardless, I always go to the source, not the tweets about it. This article has basically copied and pasted Alley's insta posts. No misandry involved. At all. Just describing her reality.
Black Fern reveals struggle to stay in the game
Black Fern Chelsea Alley has revealed the extent of her struggles as a women in rugby in an emotional social media post.
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@stargazer say what? "How many guys" etc etc. What do "guys" have to do with it? Not taking into account that the answer is fucking thousands would and thousands have.
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@stargazer said in SR-W: Blues Women v Chiefs Women:
@bones You're an oversensitive fluffybunny.
That's not misandry.Ok so what is it then? Hating on men ignorantly and irrationally isn't misandry now?
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@stargazer said in SR-W: Blues Women v Chiefs Women:
@bones You're an oversensitive fluffybunny.
That's not misandry. If you talk about male players in the past, it's incorrect. If you talk about male players in current times, it's correct.Fuck off it is! Or have you secretly gathered the answer to her questions?
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@stargazer said in SR-W: Blues Women v Chiefs Women:
@bones Why do you think that when someone is complaining about perceived injustice to women it is "hating on men"? It isn't.
She's not complaining about injustice, she's making up lies to try and support an argument.
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@stargazer said in SR-W: Blues Women v Chiefs Women:
@bones So how many SR and NPC players don't get paid? Because that's the kind of players this is about. The top level players, not just club rugby or even Heartland.
I'm wondering if you just didn't read her tweet. How many "guys" would do it for glory.
Are you a guy? Would you?
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@bones Read her tweet in the context of Alley's posts, not as a stand alone post.
And no, if I'd play at top level, I'd be paid, because that's in the collective agreement and I'd have signed a contract.
Anyway, I find Alley's posts way more interesting than that of a random poster on twitter. And I can understand that's it's hard for players like Alley.
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@stargazer said in Super Rugby Women's Competition:
@bones Read her tweet in the context of Alley's posts, not as a stand alone post.
Nah.
And no, if I'd play at top level, I'd be paid, because that's in the collective agreement and I'd have signed a contract.
Cute answer, but not a reason to hate on men.
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