Brumbies v Chiefs

barbarian

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Do you think his publicity outside of rugby results in bums on seats or increased viewership or just warm fuzzies to those who are of like mindset?
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I think it has resulted in an increase in interest in the Wallabies, yes. Especially from females. 
 
It has given them an entry pass into the game- if they see a player they know on screen, it certainly makes them feel more comfortable watching the game.
 
In terms of tangible ratings, or ticket sales well I'm not so sure. But it certainly can't hurt.

mariner4life

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I think it has resulted in an increase in interest in the Wallabies, yes. Especially from females. 
 
It has given them an entry pass into the game- if they see a player they know on screen, it certainly makes them feel more comfortable watching the game.
 
In terms of tangible ratings, or ticket sales well I'm not so sure. But it certainly can't hurt.
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in a crowded aussie market, where rugby has probably dropped to 4th (and might go further with an olympic year and the story of redemption in the pool) any positive publicity has to be good.

MN5

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Heard something similar - apparently when the Wallabies were on tour in about 2009 the manager got a call at 3am and was told one of his players had accessed an off-limits area and set off the security alarm. Thinking 'oh shit', that someone has been out on the piss or up to shenanigans, he goes downstairs to discover it's Pocock, who has gotten into the hotel gym to pump out a session. At 3am.
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....and despite all that his best lifts aren't particularly exceptional and with all those muscles he can't bust a tackle to save himself.

Hooroo

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I remember meeting James Slipper through a mate of mine when I lived on the gold coast. 
 
Firstly, I'm amazed that Slipper turned out as good as he did (enjoyed his McDonalds, liquor and ciggys when I met him)
 
He told me a story about Pocock... apparently he used to (unsure if he still does) set his alarm for 2am each night. Get up, do 100 burpees, 100 press ups and 100 squats, eat 2 chicken breasts and then go back to bed.
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Wow!! If true it does to show the difference between Talent and Dedication (Or Talent without dedication.... I'm looking at you Fat Tamifuna and Fat Ryder)

SammyC

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....and despite all that his best lifts aren't particularly exceptional and with all those muscles he can't bust a tackle to save himself.
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Where did you get his best lift numbers? I'd be interested to see them.

barbarian

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Wow!! If true it does to show the difference between Talent and Dedication (Or Talent without dedication.... I'm looking at you Fat Tamifuna and Fat Ryder)
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Well in the Australian Story episode he said that his 'dedication' destroyed his life, and he developed an eating disorder, fucked him socially etc.
 
He clearly pushed it too far in one direction. It turned him into a great player, though.

MN5

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Where did you get his best lift numbers? I'd be interested to see them.
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Could be wrong but read he benched 170kg, Deadlifted 240kg........looks more of a bodybuilder than powerlifter though......

SammyC

I remember reading that Will Genia benched 180
 
 
...... shame Pocock :)

MajorRage

Lots of parallels with Jonny Wilkinson here isn't there. The myopic, endless pursuit of absolute perfection.
 
It'll never make you the most rounded player, but it will make you the best on the planet at your chose discipline.
 
EDIT - Not to say that both players are not rounded, but there are certain parts of their game which are world leading, whilst others are middle of the pack.

taniwharugby

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Well in the Australian Story episode he said that his 'dedication' destroyed his life, and he developed an eating disorder, fucked him socially etc.
 
He clearly pushed it too far in one direction. It turned him into a great player, though.
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if its the same one he used to annoy the crap out of his brothers wanting to train endlessly as well, and someone told him his pass to the left wasn't that good, so he wanted to do a thousand left hand passes a day for weeks to get it better??

booboo

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I'm going to leave it there now

mariner4life

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I'm going to leave it there now :)
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do, it's poetic in it's own way.

Mokey

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There's no doubt he's driven, nor that he's unbelievable over the ball and only a twat would suggest he doesn't really deeply care about social equality etc. but it's the deification that I find nauseating. He's not the best flanker running around, not by a long shot with the obvious limitations to his game. And people who so carefully craft a public perception raise my internal bullshitometer - you can do all those things without the need to constantly tell me you're doing them. You're not the special snow flake standing against the public tide here.
 
And that I would contend is the issue; the apology is more about protecting his brand.
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Agree with all of this. When it comes to social warriorness, nobody screams LOOK AT MOI like David Pocock. But it's so full of shit. Like the carbon footprint. Especially the marriage ban.
 
I actually feel sorry for Michael Leitch, between the calls and online self flagellating bet he's thinking fuck me days, wish it had been someone other than bad Jesus who strangled me.

Rancid Schnitzel

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I think it has resulted in an increase in interest in the Wallabies, yes. Especially from females. 
 
It has given them an entry pass into the game- if they see a player they know on screen, it certainly makes them feel more comfortable watching the game.
 
In terms of tangible ratings, or ticket sales well I'm not so sure. But it certainly can't hurt.
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I agree any rugby player being high profile in Australia is a plus. James O'Connor should have been that guy, but he went all Beiber. Pocock is certainly big with the SJW/SBS/ABC crowd. But how long will that last and will that group actually help grow the game? I have my doubts. A new darling is only a hashtag campaign away.
 
At the end of the day, much of Pocock's so-called activism is as shallow as the media and those gobbling his knob on twitter. All about promoting one's own feeling of moral superiority rather than actually doing anything. Not to mention a rather farking large dose of hypocrisy.

barbarian

At least he's a great rugby player who can back it all up on the field. It would shit everyone off a lot more if he was on the fringe of a Super team or something.

MajorRage

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At least he's a great rugby player who can back it all up on the field. It would shit everyone off a lot more if he was on the fringe of a Super team or something.
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On the contrary it wouldn't be news.
 
If the exact same apology was written by just about any other player, nobody would really give a shit. Just cos it's Pocock, it's taken off.

KiwiMurph

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At least he's a great rugby player who can back it all up on the field. It would shit everyone off a lot more if he was on the fringe of a Super team or something.
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In other words Rugby's Tim Tebow - yeah that would definitely be worse.

Richie8-7

I've been against Pococks's ridiculous holier than thou reputation for sometime. I do recall before the world cup final an Australian newspaper calling Richie a grub (remind me when he was suspended for blatant foul play?), and I called Pocock a grub for kicking Richie in the face on the ground in the final (may have caused one of NTA's meltdowns with that), but here we are again, and one of the most overrated rugby players on earth is at it again. It was an horrific piece of foul play. I'm no Chiefs fan, and comments earlier in this thread remind me of what knobs they are, but at the time during a magnificent match and display by the current best team in the comp, I was horrified. Leitch was lucky to come out of a choke hold with no long term damage. Very lucky. This wasn't a split second rush of blood. He choked him for 10 seconds.
 
I believe Pocock's apology is genuine and respect him for it. Hopefully this will make him think about some of his foul play in the past and eliminate it. I'm happy if the Aussies continue to think he's a messiah and keep picking him. Anyone remember anything he did in the world cup final (except stand on McCaw's face)? Me neither.
 
As for his SJW rubbish. Summed up above. One hashtag away from a new left wing hero.

Crucial

Don't forget his forearm across the throat of Burger a few years ago that led Burger to try and push him off then get cited for his hand being in Pocock's face.

Crash

Just got round to watching this game.
Those 6 tries in Brumbyland were sweet alright.
I know the talk is of Cruden, but Ngatai - that explosive burst of pace, before offloading to Lowe - jesus where did that come from?
Thought Ngatai controlled the tempo of that game, the deft touches showed by both he and Cruds, & the young dynamos were a joy to watch.
Lowe has beefed up since last season and it is good to see him revelling in the involvement. That hip-swivel for the Sanders try. and offloads just bamboozled the Brumbies.
Why would Cruds want to take on the kicking duties when you have the options of DMac, Ngatai and Lowe? 
Bloody hell Lowe's boot - he has a serious punt on him........Israel who?
 
Jesus, Shag has some decisions to make, and we are bloody lucky to have such talent at our disposal.

The Silver Fern

Brumbies v Chiefs