Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?
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@kirwan said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@stargazer good god there is name I was happy to forget.
He does occasionally make sense post his involvement in actually running the game.
Was more than happy to see the back of him. He was no Chris Moller or Steve Tew.
On the other hand he was no David Rutherford.
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@kirwan said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
I'm starting to appreciate Tew more and more. We had bad management before him and it seems after him these days.
Appallingly bad decisions. Directly approaching Australian super franchises still makes me shake my head
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@kirwan said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
I'm starting to appreciate Tew more and more. We had bad management before him and it seems after him these days.
I thought Moller was good, and the pair of them made a good team.
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@stargazer said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"Because if they don't get the return that has been worked out, because spread sheets are one thing but delivery is another, then they will be looking at ways at which they can and... the first place they will look at is how many times can we get the All Blacks to play and where they can get them to play.
Not sure if Moffat is entirely correct here.
The amount of money talked about is large to us (and in rugby terms) but is chickenfeed compared to other sports entities and commercial investments worldwide to a company like Silverlake.
My guess is that the proposal is a strategic long term one more than being based on an expected annual return.
Places them with a finger in the pie of another global brand to add to their portfolio.Now let's say that post COVID Amazon decides to shake up the sports broadcasting rights sector. They are simply waiting for the equivalents of SparkSport around the world to do the normalising for them IMO. Silverlake is making strategic investments in various places to hold some power in those changes and reap the rewards.
Whether that benefits NZ Rugby I don't know. We may get swept along in something with less say than we would like.
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I think Moffitt is on the money with his approach. Surely NZRU can open the doors of opportunity themselves without selling out their control for someone else to. Ultimately the players collective will determine where things move and NZRU must work closely with them as their primary partner I believe or the compromises will become intolerable.
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@arhs said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
I think Moffitt is on the money with his approach. Surely NZRU can open the doors of opportunity themselves without selling out their control for someone else to.
Maybe NZR have tried to do exactly that but haven't found any interested parties that were prepared to pay $400M+. So this is the best offer available, despite the risks.
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I thought this was more about the intellectual/marketing aspect as opposed to assets?
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Clause B states NZR to transfer all commercial assets to Commercial LP.
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Clause C states NZR sells a 12.5% stake in Commercial LP to Silver Lake.
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New Zealand Rugby's proposed deal with Silver Lake won't get the green light at Thursday's Annual General Meeting in Wellington. Newshub understands negotiations between NZR and the Players Association are at an impasse and the proposed $387.5 million deal won't get the sign off it needs at the AGM. NZR has rejected two last ditch alternatives to the proposed Silver Lake deal from the Players Association. The governing body and the Players Association have been at loggerheads over the proposed deal for US firm Silver Lake to acquire a 12.5 percent stake in NZR worth $387.5m. Newshub understands two alternatives were put to NZR in their latest round of mediation talks, which concluded on Tuesday. One of those was debt raising - where NZR would essentially take out a loan they'd then pay back with interest - and the other, selling a five percent commercial stake in the company to a private investor. But those would only raise around $90m and $150m respectively, significantly less than what's been tabled by Silver Lake, Newshub understands. NZR has rejected both alternatives, both on the basis that they wouldn't be able raise enough capital and wouldn't benefit the game at grassroots level, which is at the core of NZR's deal with Silver Lake. Mediation will continue with the Players Association following Thursday's AGM, as both parties search for common ground in this much maligned deal. -
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
Newshub understands two alternatives were put to NZR in their latest round of mediation talks, which concluded on Tuesday. One of those was debt raising - where NZR would essentially take out a loan they'd then pay back with interest - and the other, selling a five percent commercial stake in the company to a private investor. But those would only raise around $90m and $150m respectively, significantly less than what's been tabled by Silver Lake, Newshub understands. NZR has rejected both alternatives, both on the basis that they wouldn't be able raise enough capital and wouldn't benefit the game at grassroots level, which is at the core of NZR's deal with Silver Lake.Why are they going straight from, $90m in reserves, maybe close to eaten up by now after covid, straight to selling equity?
Why not raise the $90m loan?
Then see if in few years, then need to sell equity?
NZRU have never been in debt , for 25 years , we are now just getting close to no reserves and we panic?
This feels rushed, reactive, and I simply dont trust the acumen of these current numpties on the board.
I'm hoping the players hold out.
Make the provincial unions cut their cloth to fit.
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@rapido I think it's about more than cash reserves. They want to put money into the grassroots and unions - they want to try and 'future proof' the game in NZ.
For quite a few years now they've been either just keeping their head above water or posting operating losses. It's not a sustainable model currently.
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I dont like it.
I'd be much more comfortable if they were buying a stake in the TT SR comp. The efforts go into making a successful and sustainable professional comp.
For private equity, surely the low hanging fruit will just be even more whoring out of the AB brand in revenue sharing friendlies in non-NZ venues.
There are already too many tests, and the nz game is a hollowed out inverted pyramid.
As i say. It's the domestic / tasman professional comp that needs the attention. And with this being a deal independent of the ARU, I have doubts how this will work. Big doubts.
I'd rather they borrowed, get the Ta$man comp and the relationship with ARU healthy, get a common equity buyer for the 2 unions, if needed , once we have a comp to sell.
At the moment we are just selling the AB brand.
Too much rush and panic.
The other overseas comps are hurting as well, we have a few years up our sleeves if we borrow.
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It's up to the NZRPA now.
New Zealand Rugby’s provincial unions have voted unanimously in favour of a deal with private equity group Silver Lake. However, it can not pass completely without the sign-off from the New Zealand Rugby Players Association. The deal would see Silver Lake taking a 12.5 per cent stake in a newly created NZR entity called Commercial LP for $387.5 million. New Zealand Rugby board chair Brent Impey said it was “incredibly significant” for rugby but was unimpressed with the NZRPA’s stance. -
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have to say, im not too worried, NZ rugby hasn't really looked overly financially for a while and this might just be better than it going belly up.
it didn't have to be this way though, if NZR had concentrated on super rugby and the NPC rather than making the All Blacks the sole focus, then those competitions and those clubs/franchises could be used to sell equity...and keep the black jersey as this privileged pinnacle of the game....but the world sees the AB's as the only thing worth any money
