SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues
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@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy They didn't have 14 men on the field due to foul play:
- they had 14 men on the field due running out of subs because it was late in the game and the coaches had emptied the bench when Papali'i left the field.
- the foul play was the tackle being late, not the tackle being hard and Tele'a falling awkwardly on another player, causing him to grasp for breadth for a while. So he wasn't taken off the field as a result of the foul play.
And they ran out of subs partly because of the injury from foul play. Sure they could have managed their subs differently after Tale'a went off because of foul play, but is it right that they should have to?
I think you are clutching at straws with your second point. Surely he wouldn't have fallen hard if it wasn't for the off the ball tackle though. It's a consequence of the offence.
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@crazy-horse Hard tackles cause opposition players to grasp for air regularly. Off the ball, or not.
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@stargazer I know they do. But this was the direct consequence of alleged foul play.
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@crazy-horse I don't think it made a difference to how they'd manage subs. Tele'a is a back; Papali'i is a forward. You'd have a point if one of the backs got injured in the 71st minute when they ran out of subs.
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@crazy-horse We'll have to agree to disagree then.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@stargazer I know they do. But this was the direct consequence of alleged foul play.
It wasn't even "alleged" it was deemed to be so by the officials. Penalty awarded for it.
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@stargazer I know they do. But this was the direct consequence of alleged foul play.
It wasn't "alleged" it was deemed to be so by the officials. Penalty awarded for it.
I had a feeling someone would pick that up 😀. I only said alleged because in my mind , despite what the official definition may or may not be, foul play is deliberate. I know Tale'a was deliberately tackled, but I think that was because the defender was fooled by the dummy run. I don't think he deliberately tackled a player without the ball if you get my point. That's why I reckon only a penalty was given and not a card as well.
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@chris-b said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Seeing as some are doing conspiracy theories about milking a card - I wonder if the Dr is a Crusaders fan?
Not our fault if the Blues assume that @Canerbry wearing a white coat is a doctor.
Blues, poaching our coaches and now our doctors
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@stargazer I know they do. But this was the direct consequence of alleged foul play.
It wasn't "alleged" it was deemed to be so by the officials. Penalty awarded for it.
I had a feeling someone would pick that up 😀. I only said alleged because in my mind , despite what the official definition may or may not be, foul play is deliberate. I know Tale'a was deliberately tackled, but I think that was because the defender was fooled by the dummy run. I don't think he deliberately tackled a player without the ball if you get my point. That's why I reckon only a penalty was given and not a card as well.
I hate cards they ruin games for me.You're a cop. Nice to know that innocence is still assumed and alleged is in use.
Agree with the rest mostly, but tackling a player with out the ball still comes under Foul play section 9, and worse, "dangerous play" - 14:
"A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball."I don't necessarily think it was a card either but the laws are clear that it was foul and dangerous.
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@act-crusader said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@chris-b said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Seeing as some are doing conspiracy theories about milking a card - I wonder if the Dr is a Crusaders fan?
Not our fault if the Blues assume that @Canerbry wearing a white coat is a doctor.
Blues, poaching our coaches and now our doctors
I think that doctor is seriously one of yours.
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@act-crusader said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@chris-b said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Seeing as some are doing conspiracy theories about milking a card - I wonder if the Dr is a Crusaders fan?
Not our fault if the Blues assume that @Canerbry wearing a white coat is a doctor.
Blues, poaching our coaches and now our doctors
I'm probably misunderstanding - but, has Canerbry gone to Auckland?
Surely not!
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@snowy I think there was a fair bit of fault with the blues player, you're opening up a can of worms if you want to go by the letter of the law there, we'll have penalties every phase with the amount of attacking players in front of the ball running into defenders these days.
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse That's a bit far-fetched. The player who was incorrectly taken off the field for a head injury by the match doctor was a back and a reserve back came on (Otere Black). They didn't lose a forward sub as a result of the mistake of the match doctor.
They subbed Gibson for Akira in the 46th minute, so reasonably early in the 2nd half. Does someone know exactly when in the game Papali'i injured his knee, because he played on for quite a while, I think.
Anyway, when Papali'i left the field (71st minute) and they had to play on with 14 players, the Blues were already trailing 6 - 22, so the game was already lost anyway.
You seem to be missing the point. The relevance to that particular game is immaterial.
The laws are relevant, and having a player removed from the match due to foul play and not being able to replace them - even with a player that has been on the field should be allowed.
You shouldn't be down to 14 at the end of a match because you had a game plan, used subs, and previously the opposition did something illegal to injure one of your players.
That would seem a fair change to the laws.
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@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues ** (remember the fat f* sitting in the stand eating a pie?)**, he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
You appear to just be doubling down now. He didn't get selected for the ABs on the back of no form last year. As @Kirwan has mentioned multiple times he was being deliberately held back at the start of last season due to the mental health issues (and quite frankly the overworked he'd been in the previous Blues campaigns). Even this year he hasn't been as bad as you're making out. He was topping the Fern MOTM poll for a few weeks there, and there's no higher authority than that.
But, since you appear to want an extra long run then dust off your videotapes from 2018, he was superb all of that season and Evans (who I'm a big fan of as a Magpies boy) made the ABs instead of him despite not playing as well.
But I guess the tone of the bolded bit means that no matter what he does you'll never give him credit.
Ok so we disagree, I thought in 2018 he was very ordinary, because of his workrate. And as you said Evan made ABs ahead of him, because maybe ABs wanted players that would work all around field. We will never agree, you want someone who will stand around and do a caryy every now and then, I want a player who is involved all the time. Apparently so do Blues coaches as he doesn't seem to be first choice there this year ,again!
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@nostrildamus said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues (remember the fat f*** sitting in the stand eating a pie?), he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
I thought he had great impact for the ABs.
"remember the fat f***"
Doesn't sound like you are very impartial.
We have plenty of good 6s available for the ABs, not so many at 8 (come to think of it, is Savea really the best 8 in the country?)
I like the impact Akira has, but perhaps he isn't an 80 minutes player at int. level. In this era, that might not be a showstopper.Yep he did have great impact for ABs, and if you followed mt posts you would of seen how happy I was. But unfortunately one good test doesn't make a career. Or are you saying the Blues coaches have it in for him to, as they haven't been starting him either. I repeat I would love him to prove me wrong, but I get so pissed with a player with so much potentiel who seems to not want it enough to do work!
And tell me the times you have seen him go sprinting back when the defence has been breeched outside or inside him. Give me examples, I would love to be wrong. So probably would his own coaches. -
@dan54 I'll keep an eye out for that. But nb, I thought it was 2 good tests?
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I wouldn't go making the argument about player selection as if that's a negative slight on an ignored player. Look at the donkeys we've given All Black jerseys to over the last four years.
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@antipodean said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I wouldn't go making the argument about player selection as if that's a negative slight on an ignored player. Look at the donkeys we've given All Black jerseys to over the last four years.
@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Apparently so do Blues coaches as he doesn't seem to be first choice there this year ,again!
I wouldn't advise using the Blues 2021 selections to support your position......
He's fucked then innhe!
