Black Caps v Pakistan
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How many times was Nichols dropped by the Windies when he made his last 100? At least three? I am not convinced he is 'back' yet.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
How many times was Nichols dropped by the Windies when he made his last 100? At least three? I am not convinced he is 'back' yet.
Yeah getting runs against a team as awful as they were may not be the best yardstick
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
How many times was Nichols dropped by the Windies when he made his last 100? At least three? I am not convinced he is 'back' yet.
The answer is in the article. Typical bloody fern ..........
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Well, maybe not all of the drops.
On 21, he hit one straight to short leg that didn’t stick, and on 47, he was put down twice in the slips, while there were a number of other false shots and edges.
There were so many half chances / false shots in the first 50 or so runs.
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@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
996 runs, 5 tons, average 62
So typical shit or bust Kiwi batsman. Minimum 500 runs in 5 innings means 496 in total over the other 15. So an average in the low 30's. Not exactly Mr Consistency then.
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
996 runs, 5 tons, average 62
So typical shit or bust Kiwi batsman. Minimum 500 runs in 5 innings means 496 in total over the other 15. So an average in the low 30's. Not exactly Mr Consistency then.
One of them was actually a triple hundy.
Edit. No, Those are Young's numbers, not Conways.
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Although I think Andrew Voerman's numbers are wrong on Conway.
he’s scored 1124 runs in his last 20 first-class innings* at an average of 66, with two centuries
I make it that Devon Conway has scored 1344 runs from his last 20 FC innings, 3 hundreds & 6 half-centuries, average of 74.66
157, 4, 16, 27, 94, 31, 81, 94, 327, 66, 96, 19, 4, 9, 40, 1, 156*, 14*, 46, 62
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@Rapido I want to see both him and Young in the team asap. Time to get a bit ruthless with our selections.
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@Paekakboyz said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido I want to see both him and Young in the team asap. Time to get a bit ruthless with our selections.
Kane WIlliamson made no runs in the last test. Fuck him off for a start
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Paekakboyz said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido I want to see both him and Young in the team asap. Time to get a bit ruthless with our selections.
Kane WIlliamson made no runs in the last test. Fuck him off for a start
The fact he put his wife and her well being before the team absolutely disgusts me
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
996 runs, 5 tons, average 62
So typical shit or bust Kiwi batsman. Minimum 500 runs in 5 innings means 496 in total over the other 15. So an average in the low 30's. Not exactly Mr Consistency then.
Will Young did score 996 runs in last 20 FC innings. So Voerman correct there.
Average is 62.25
But 4 hundreds, not 5.4 hundreds, 2 low 50s, but only 3 single digits. So actually not famine or feast. Rather too many wasted starts.
These were the scores:
133, 14, 110*, 9, 23, 43*, 10, 133*, 1, 22, 68, 17*, 26, 54, 3, 150, 20, 20, 17, 123Of those 20 innings - it covered 5 matches which were for NZ 'A' against India 'A' and touring West Indians. Which adds a bit more gravitas, including being elevated to open, as he did in one of the tests.
Interestingly. The games immediately outside the last 20 FC innings are a further 3 matches for NZ 'A'. Again 1 v India 'A' plus 2 v Pakistan 'A' in UAE.
This is 2 years ago by now. Late 2018.
But 'A' games are most relevant to judge ability to step up.
Scores in those 5 games were: 49, 28, 0, 23, 74 -
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
996 runs, 5 tons, average 62
So typical shit or bust Kiwi batsman. Minimum 500 runs in 5 innings means 496 in total over the other 15. So an average in the low 30's. Not exactly Mr Consistency then.
Will Young did score 996 runs in last 20 FC innings. So Voerman correct there.
Average is 62.25
But 4 hundreds, not 5.4 hundreds, 2 low 50s, but only 3 single digits. So actually not famine or feast. Rather too many wasted starts.
These were the scores:
133, 14, 110*, 9, 23, 43*, 10, 133*, 1, 22, 68, 17*, 26, 54, 3, 150, 20, 20, 17, 123Of those 20 innings - it covered 5 matches which were for NZ 'A' against India 'A' and touring West Indians. Which adds a bit more gravitas, including being elevated to open, as he did in one of the tests.
Interestingly. The games immediately outside the last 20 FC innings are a further 3 matches for NZ 'A'. Again 1 v India 'A' plus 2 v Pakistan 'A' in UAE.
This is 2 years ago by now. Late 2018.
But 'A' games are most relevant to judge ability to step up.
Scores in those 5 games were: 49, 28, 0, 23, 74Five hundreds including 2 NO. So averaging 123 in 5 innings and 26.69 across the other 15 - including a further 2 NO. Statistics can prove anything but I'd still say that isn't the consistency you'd want from someone being touted as much as Young
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@Paekakboyz said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido I want to see both him and Young in the team asap. Time to get a bit ruthless with our selections.
I think this is Taylor's last year. Maybe he stays until WTC final if NZ makes it (therefore also tour of England preceding it, if it happens).
Already I'm thinking demote him to 5 to protect his poor starts against newish ball. Which is not good, reminds me of Ponting's last years.
Big caveat for me is Conway hasn't played 'A' level yet. And he was a failure at South African franchise level. Is he a Plunket Shield, Currie Cup level lion? But, thing is he 'looks' class. So, I think not.
But 13 man test squads with concussion subs means he is still untried at 'A' level, which IMO is a shame/waste.
He did score runs v West Indians in the non-FC warm up game for NZ 'A', though. But got test squad callup and missed the proper FC game. But ... I don't hold much respect for those sorts of games. But, it's something.
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
996 runs, 5 tons, average 62
So typical shit or bust Kiwi batsman. Minimum 500 runs in 5 innings means 496 in total over the other 15. So an average in the low 30's. Not exactly Mr Consistency then.
Will Young did score 996 runs in last 20 FC innings. So Voerman correct there.
Average is 62.25
But 4 hundreds, not 5.4 hundreds, 2 low 50s, but only 3 single digits. So actually not famine or feast. Rather too many wasted starts.
These were the scores:
133, 14, 110*, 9, 23, 43*, 10, 133*, 1, 22, 68, 17*, 26, 54, 3, 150, 20, 20, 17, 123Of those 20 innings - it covered 5 matches which were for NZ 'A' against India 'A' and touring West Indians. Which adds a bit more gravitas, including being elevated to open, as he did in one of the tests.
Interestingly. The games immediately outside the last 20 FC innings are a further 3 matches for NZ 'A'. Again 1 v India 'A' plus 2 v Pakistan 'A' in UAE.
This is 2 years ago by now. Late 2018.
But 'A' games are most relevant to judge ability to step up.
Scores in those 5 games were: 49, 28, 0, 23, 74Five hundreds including 2 NO. So averaging 123 in 5 innings and 26.69 across the other 15 - including a further 2 NO. Statistics can prove anything but I'd still say that isn't the consistency you'd want from someone being touted as much as Young
That's probably normal though isn't it? It is wasn't, then everyone would be Bradman.
But, the "touted as much' part is a valid conversation.
IMO, we are talking a potential test average 35ish sort of guy. Not an immediate Ross Taylor replacement. I mean, Ross is NZ's probably 4th best batsman of all time. But current Ross is sub-30.
It's just, we don't normally have test average 30ish guys sitting on the sidelines for years. We usually have 2 sub 30s or borderline 30 guys in the top 6.
I don't think he will average 35 as an opener, though. Maybe late 20s or just over 30.
Conway. Is more an unknown. I haven't really watched much of him TBH.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
996 runs, 5 tons, average 62
So typical shit or bust Kiwi batsman. Minimum 500 runs in 5 innings means 496 in total over the other 15. So an average in the low 30's. Not exactly Mr Consistency then.
Will Young did score 996 runs in last 20 FC innings. So Voerman correct there.
Average is 62.25
But 4 hundreds, not 5.4 hundreds, 2 low 50s, but only 3 single digits. So actually not famine or feast. Rather too many wasted starts.
These were the scores:
133, 14, 110*, 9, 23, 43*, 10, 133*, 1, 22, 68, 17*, 26, 54, 3, 150, 20, 20, 17, 123Of those 20 innings - it covered 5 matches which were for NZ 'A' against India 'A' and touring West Indians. Which adds a bit more gravitas, including being elevated to open, as he did in one of the tests.
Interestingly. The games immediately outside the last 20 FC innings are a further 3 matches for NZ 'A'. Again 1 v India 'A' plus 2 v Pakistan 'A' in UAE.
This is 2 years ago by now. Late 2018.
But 'A' games are most relevant to judge ability to step up.
Scores in those 5 games were: 49, 28, 0, 23, 74Five hundreds including 2 NO. So averaging 123 in 5 innings and 26.69 across the other 15 - including a further 2 NO. Statistics can prove anything but I'd still say that isn't the consistency you'd want from someone being touted as much as Young
That's probably normal though isn't it? It is wasn't, then everyone would be Bradman.
Exactly. I hardly think we’re in the luxurious postion of critiquing an average of over 60
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Sumo’s commentary is shocking
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@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo’s commentary is shocking
amazing. Kind of like taking an expert out of their area of expertise, adn dropping them somewhere else doesn't work!
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo’s commentary is shocking
amazing. Kind of like taking an expert out of their area of expertise, and dropping them somewhere else doesn't work!
What is Sumo's area of expertise if you don't mind enlightening me?
