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  • ChrisC Offline
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    Chris
    replied to Stargazer on last edited by
    #1013

    @Stargazer said in Exodus:

    Signed with NTT Communications Shining Arcs in Japan:

    • Fletcher Smith

    • Piri Paraone (former Wellington Lions)

    NTTコミュニケーションズシャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安

    NTTコミュニケーションズシャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安

    シャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安は2022年6月30日をもってチーム活動を終了しました。

    I don’t understand the Fletcher Smith going overseas
    He is better than a few who have contracts.

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    ARHS
    replied to Chris on last edited by
    #1014

    @Chris said in Exodus:

    @Stargazer said in Exodus:

    Signed with NTT Communications Shining Arcs in Japan:

    • Fletcher Smith

    • Piri Paraone (former Wellington Lions)

    NTTコミュニケーションズシャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安

    NTTコミュニケーションズシャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安

    シャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安は2022年6月30日をもってチーム活動を終了しました。

    I don’t understand the Fletcher Smith going overseas
    He is better than a few who have contracts.

    Ditto to that. Maybe it is a by-product of all franchises trying to complete squads way too early, at times when a lot of assumptions must be made. I wonder if NZRU will consider setting a date late in NPC after which a certain number of positions must be filled by each franchise. i.e. 3 to 5 positions must be open/unsigned as at the week between NPC semis and finals. That might lead to better options for the best of those players not already signed, with NZRU assisting with information on options. Just a thought... Seems a shame to have overseas players brought in each year when very good players are forced overseas.

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    mikey07
    replied to Chris on last edited by
    #1015

    @Chris I could understand if there were better players but to sign Hickey instead of Smith defies belief.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    Chris
    replied to mikey07 on last edited by
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    @mikey07 said in Exodus:

    @Chris I could understand if there were better players but to sign Hickey instead of Smith defies belief.

    @mikey07 said in Exodus:

    @Chris I could understand if there were better players but to sign Hickey instead of Smith defies belief.

    Yeah no sense at must be something more to this one

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    Chris
    replied to ARHS on last edited by
    #1017

    @ARHS said in Exodus:

    @Chris said in Exodus:

    @Stargazer said in Exodus:

    Signed with NTT Communications Shining Arcs in Japan:

    • Fletcher Smith

    • Piri Paraone (former Wellington Lions)

    NTTコミュニケーションズシャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安

    NTTコミュニケーションズシャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安

    シャイニングアークス東京ベイ浦安は2022年6月30日をもってチーム活動を終了しました。

    I don’t understand the Fletcher Smith going overseas
    He is better than a few who have contracts.

    Ditto to that. Maybe it is a by-product of all franchises trying to complete squads way too early, at times when a lot of assumptions must be made. I wonder if NZRU will consider setting a date late in NPC after which a certain number of positions must be filled by each franchise. i.e. 3 to 5 positions must be open/unsigned as at the week between NPC semis and finals. That might lead to better options for the best of those players not already signed, with NZRU assisting with information on options. Just a thought... Seems a shame to have overseas players brought in each year when very good players are forced overseas.

    Maybe a good idea hopefully it would stop this sort of thing happening

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  • boobooB Offline
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    booboo
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    #1018

    Back in the day Peter Thorburn had the job of ensuring the top 145(?) players in NZ were playing Super Rugby.

    Then people whinged about how the franchises could not directly contract their own players.

    Now we get players who are better than those contracted missing out.

    The old system was better.

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  • mofitzy_M Offline
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    mofitzy_
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    #1019

    I could understand Hickey over F. Smith if he was a good SR player who was also good overseas. But my understanding is he was a bit of a flop in both situations, which means his "experience" doesn't trump talent. Smith can possibly still get better, I very much doubt Hickey will.

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    Bovidae
    replied to booboo on last edited by
    #1020

    @booboo said in Exodus:

    Back in the day Peter Thorburn had the job of ensuring the top 145(?) players in NZ were playing Super Rugby.

    Then people whinged about how the franchises could not directly contract their own players.

    Now we get players who are better than those contracted missing out.

    The old system was better.

    The old system also had its flaws. Remember MacDonald being forced to move to the Chiefs in 1998? He played poorly that year at 1st 5 and the fans let him know it.

    The big problem now is that the franchises have to sign players early to avoid one of the other 4 teams contracting that player before them. This doesn't apply to the established players, but the new young players and those making up positions 30-38 in the squad. I like @ARHS's proposal that a certain number of positions in each squad should remain open until after the NPC is finished to reward form.

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  • boobooB Offline
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    booboo
    replied to Bovidae on last edited by
    #1021

    @Bovidae said in Exodus:

    @booboo said in Exodus:

    Back in the day Peter Thorburn had the job of ensuring the top 145(?) players in NZ were playing Super Rugby.

    Then people whinged about how the franchises could not directly contract their own players.

    Now we get players who are better than those contracted missing out.

    The old system was better.

    The old system also had its flaws. Remember MacDonald being forced to move to the Chiefs in 1998? He played poorly that year at 1st 5 and the fans let him know it.

    The big problem now is that the franchises have to sign players early to avoid one of the other 4 teams contracting that player before them. This doesn't apply to the established players, but the new young players and those making up positions 30-38 in the squad. I like @ARHS's proposal that a certain number of positions in each squad should remain open until after the NPC is finished to reward form.

    Yeah but what positions?

    In that case you've got to assume that there is a squad spot open to that specific position.

    In MacDonald's case he wasn't good enough (at that time) to be protected by the Crusaders, but instead of missing out in Super Rugby he was drafted to the Chiefs.

    At least he was playing as he was one one the in his position(s).

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    Bovidae
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    @booboo I agree, no system is perfect as the needs for each team will be different. So the status quo then. 😉

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    taniwharugby
    replied to Bovidae on last edited by taniwharugby
    #1023

    @Bovidae current system while not perfect is still better than the old one where players were typically enticed to move provinces as well.

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    ARHS
    replied to booboo on last edited by
    #1024

    @booboo I meant 'roster spots', rather than specific jersey number positions.

    Happy that Rameka Poihipi is able to return home, rather than miss out to an overseas player.

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    KiwiMurph
    wrote on last edited by
    #1025

    The thing with Fletcher Smith and the Canes is he was with the Hurricanes this year - and didn't get many chances - so obviously the current Canes coaching set up just don't rate him that highly.

    I'd take Smith over Hickey but clearly the Canes feel differently.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
    replied to taniwharugby on last edited by
    #1026

    @taniwharugby said in Exodus:

    @Bovidae current system while not perfect is still better than the old one where players were typically enticed to move provinces as well.

    Yep.

    Players still move (e.g. Hammington to Otago, Aso to Wellington, Reece to Ta$man). However, it seems to be the players themselves that instigate it, largely to avoid having two bases during the season, than the SR franchises as in the past.

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  • HigginsH Offline
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    Higgins
    replied to KiwiMurph on last edited by
    #1027

    @KiwiMurph said in Exodus:

    I'd take Smith over Hickey but clearly the Canes feel differently.

    The Canes selectors also rate JGB ahead of him for some apparent reason so that tends to indicate they can't see the obvious things they way 99% of us experts on here do. THeir love affair with Reed Princep is another example of this.

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    Stargazer
    wrote on last edited by
    #1028

    Andy Ellis has un-retired!

    'My body's never felt better': Former All Black Andy Ellis charts course for rugby's new frontier

    'My body's never felt better': Former All Black Andy Ellis charts course for rugby's new frontier

    Andy Ellis called time on his New Zealand career over half a decade ago, but the former Crusaders and Canterbury halfback is still making waves in the rugby scene and has now signed to play in America.

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    Stargazer
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    #1029

    Dan Hollinshead also to New York.

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  • YeetyaahY Offline
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    Yeetyaah
    wrote on last edited by
    #1030

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/vito-looks-ahead-to-next-chapter

    More returnodous but Victor Vito is coming back to NZ. Wonder if he'll keep playing or retire.

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    Stargazer
    replied to Yeetyaah on last edited by
    #1031

    @Yeetyaah Great player; I always rated him. We're not short of good 8/6 players at the moment, but he could still add value, particularly off-field, mentoring the young ones. Same role as Bryn Evans, NMS, Dan Carter ... (but hopefully without the injuries).

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    Machpants
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    #1032

    It annoyed me that the ABs insisted on playing him at 6, and were disappointed when he suddenly didn;t become big and smashy. Playing at 8 he was awesome, so skillful.

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