What’s out there at Second Five?
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just throwing this out there...Michael Collins is 100kg...i'll see myself out
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@Kiwiwomble Collins at 12? I'd rather shit in my hands and clap.
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@Stargazer said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Kirwan Would be nice, because then JG would have to move back to 13, where we all want him.
Exactly, combinations are even more important in the midfield. Would help RM’s game as well.
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I guess the other thing though, what are we as fans missing that that AB coaches are seeing?
They clearly have something in mind (this doesnt just apply to the mid-field) about how they want these players who are 'out of position' to play, especially when they persist.
I dont buy they are too stubborn to make changes, they want to win too.
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@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I guess the other thing though, what are we as fans missing that that AB coaches are seeing?
And we also have to accept that we do not understand rugby, despite over 50 years of watching it and being on the sideline of the playing field pretty much every Saturday during the season in my case. Who are we to argue with the All Black captain when he tells us we do not understand the sport?
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@Higgins well if you read some of the comments online (FB) after the team naming, there is a good portion of people who clearly have zero idea.
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@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Higgins well if you read some of the comments online (FB) after the team naming, there is a good portion of people who clearly have zero idea.
yes, they are Hurricanes fans. but it's a free country and we can't very well just censor them can we?
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@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Higgins well if you read some of the comments online (FB) after the team naming, there is a good portion of people who clearly have zero idea.
Are you referring to the selectors or some of the public in general?
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I think what 'they' mean is that the fans don't see an awful lot of the preparation effort, training form, focus and distraction levels, discipline and a range of physical stats, as well as game stats, that the coaches and their staff do off the field. Fans tend to measure mostly by highlights reels, and not the overall 'package' a player brings. Some of the coaches they will be balancing off potential against building improvements in areas of weakness, to better prepare a player for the brutal demands at a higher level, and that also forms part of their selection. Judging when to replace a player for form issues, and when to give a chance to redeem is not easy either.
I think it was a tall order to do the right thing for all the players sent to Australia, but am glad that many were given their opportunity in that game that was lost to Australia, because they will have learned from it, and may have more resolve in future. A close win would have been better for the public though...
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@Stargazer and then be third in line after ALB and RI.
funny the fern spent 4 years wanting a settled midfield . know after a handful of games they want to keep changing the combination.
anyway wouldnt mind seeing more of ALB/RI together. RI will be better with another year at center at the blues. -
@mariner4life said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Higgins well if you read some of the comments online (FB) after the team naming, there is a good portion of people who clearly have zero idea.
yes, they are Hurricanes fans. but it's a free country and we can't very well just censor them can we?
Don't need to in Wellington, just stand upwind and you'll never hear them again.
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Havili-best position is 12? He can kick as I recall..
Laumape does not just run into players, he can also run over them, not bad athleticism for a disrespected leprechaun.
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@ploughboy said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Stargazer and then be third in line after ALB and RI.
funny the fern spent 4 years wanting a settled midfield . know after a handful of games they want to keep changing the combination.
anyway wouldnt mind seeing more of ALB/RI together. RI will be better with another year at center at the blues.Part of the problem is where ALB and JG end up playing in SR. Do you think JG would have been seriously considered at 2nd 5 if he didn't play there all season for the Crusaders? Unlikely I believe. ALB has been more interchangeable at the Chiefs depending on who his midfield partner is.
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I get the argument JB could become a good 12 with more time in the role but the time to learn is not in the ABs. Is he better at 12 than ALB? Are they the most balanced but impactful midfield together in those positions? I don't think so.
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@nostrildamus said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Havili-best position is 12? He can kick as I recall..
Laumape does not just run into players, he can also run over them, not bad athleticism for a disrespected leprechaun.
Havili started at 12 at the Crusaders - not hugely successfully, but he was just a kid and paired with Fonotia during Toddy Blackadder's spend all the money on 1-10 regime.
He really found his feet when he moved to 15 - but, he's moved back to 12 occasionally when required (and even 10). He's a decent option there.
Currently, he's at best 4th in the fullback queue, so maybe his best chance of being an AB is a shift back to 12.
