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    @Nepia said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:

    Ranger's issue that they don't know his real parentage?

    no idea, was years back, just remember reading that it was all go but then they couldnt prove his Whakapapa.

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    @Nepia said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:

    @Gunner said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:

    That's a bloody good Pacifica team they've put together!!!

    It's a wonder that they don't also pick a 'NZ European' or 'safe skinny white boy' team to give the Maori All Blacks another game.... probably don't want to risk being seen as racist though huh?

    I'd like to see a Non Maori/PI team to complete as well - I'm not sure why it would be seen as anymore "racist" than the current teams. Hell, they could just call it a NZ Baabaas team?

    My comment about being racist was a bit tongue in cheek 😉

    But seriously though, why not?

    Who would make that team?
    Contenders that I can quickly think of:

    1. ????? Whoppa
    2. Coltman/Olsen
    3. ????? The long haired Otago prop
    4. Goodhue/Dickson
    5. Pierce
    6. Robinson
    7. Hunt/Boshier
    8. Matich
    9. Christie/Roe
    10. Smith/Gatland
    11. Gregory
    12. Collins
    13. Hyland

    I'll be missing some obvious choices, as I say that was very quickly off the top of my head (and probably biased towards Northland)

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    @Stargazer maybe because hes played for the ABS?

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    @Gunner There’s also players of mixed Maori/PI and pakeha descent as well who haven’t made either of those teams.

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    Riccitelli, Goosen, David Havili, Finlay Christie, Quinten Strange, Gareth Evans, Bryn Evans, Luke Romano, etc etc

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    @Gunner said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:

    1. ????? The long haired Otago prop

    That would be Josh Hohneck, previously a NZ Maori player. 🙂

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    @Nepia thank you, that was my understanding.

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    The Māori All Blacks squad is (with Province, Super Rugby Club, and Iwi):

    *asterisk denotes new caps

    Props
    Josh Hohneck, Otago, Ngāti Manuhiri/Ngāti Whātua
    Pouri Rakete-Stones, Hawkes Bay/Hurricanes, Ngāpuhi
    Marcel Renata, Auckland/Blues, Ngāti Whānaunga/Ngāi Takoto
    *Tamaiti Williams, Canterbury, Ngāpuhi

    Hookers
    Ash Dixon (c), Hawkes Bay/Highlanders, Ngāti Tahinga
    *Kurt Eklund, Bay of Plenty/Blues, Ngāpuhi

    Locks
    *Manaaki Selby-Rickit, Southland/Highlanders, Ngāti Raukawa
    Isaia Walker-Leawere, Hawkes Bay/Hurricanes, Ngāti Porou

    Loose Forwards
    Billy Harmon, Canterbury/Crusaders, Ngāi Tahu
    Reed Prinsep, Canterbury/Hurricanes, Te Rārawa
    Liam Messam, Waikato, Ngāi Tuhoe
    Whetukamokamo Douglas, Canterbury/Crusaders, Ngāti Porou/Ngāti Whakaue
    *Ethan Roots, North Harbour/Crusaders, Ngāti Kahungunu

    Half Backs
    Bryn Hall, North Harbour/Crusaders, Ngāti Ranginui
    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Bay of Plenty/Chiefs, Ngāti Pikiao

    First five-eighths
    Otere Black, Bay of Plenty/Blues, Ngāi Tuhoe/Te Whānau ā Apanui/Ngāti Tūwharetoa
    Fletcher Smith, Waikato/Hurricanes, Ngāti Kahungunu

    Midfield
    *Billy Proctor, Wellington/Hurricanes, Ngai Te Rangi/Ngāpuhi
    *Rameka Poihipi, Canterbury, Ngāti Whakaue
    *Quinn Tupaea, Waikato/Chiefs, Waikato/Tainui

    Outside Backs
    Sean Wainui, Taranaki/Chiefs, Ngāi Tuhoe/Te Āitanga a Māhaki/Ngā Arikikaiputahi/Ngāti Porou
    Shaun Stevenson, North Harbour/Chiefs, Ngāpuhi
    Jonah Lowe, Hawkes Bay/Hurricanes, Ngāti Pikiao
    *Kaleb Trask, Bay of Plenty/Chiefs, Ngāpuhi


    Head Coach: Clayton, McMillan, Ngāi Te Rangi/Ngāi Tamawhariua/Te Rangaihouhiri
    Assistant Coaches: Roger Randle, Ngāti Awa; Tony Brown (Ngāpuhi)

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/maori-all-blacks-squad-announced-to-play-moana-pasifika-in-hamilton/

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    The biggest surprises to me are Eklund and Trask, because I didn't know they have Maori ancestry.

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    @Stargazer was about to post the same. And they are locals to me. Zarn Sullivan Mewett and Karpik were surprise omissions for me. Younger Roots may have gone close too.

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    Good squad. Should be a hell of a game.

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    @ARHS I think Karpik lost his spot to Harmon, who had a very good Mitre 10 Cup season. I think both had a good chance, but only need one 7.

    Not surprised Mewett missed out, considering the quality of the players they've picked at lock, unless you count Selby-Ricket's criminal conviction against him (I've been wondering about that).

    I would have left Proctor out of the squad, named Wainui as a midfielder and named Zarn Sullivan, but he's still very green, so may have to wait.

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    Douglas would have to be the third locking option. Prinsep isn't really a lock.

    A very green midfield trio.

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    @Bovidae

    Pretty sure Roots has covered lock for the Crusaders

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    @bobily2 said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:

    @Bovidae

    Pretty sure Roots has covered lock for the Crusaders

    I think both will be on the bench based on who has been selected. The starting loosies being Harmon-Prinsep-Messam.

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    @Bovidae I think the starters will be 6 Prinsep - 7 Harmon - 8 Douglas.

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    @Stargazer You did great research work on this up front! Am pleased with the selections. Roots covers lock. Trask keeps Sullivan out and toss between Harmon and Karpik. Might be fun to revisit that European XV now. Pretty thin on backs left over. I get Drummond Cameron Gregory Collins McKay Goosen and Hunt. Little beyond that outside 9s. But plenty of forward talent without a big match at season end. Strange Dunshea Boshier Robinson Jacobsen Hunt all unlucky there.

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    According to this article on Stuff, one more player will be added to the squad. Another lock maybe?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/123498349/liam-messam-returns-to-ash-dixoncaptained-nz-mori-against-moana-pasifika

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    @Stargazer Douglas has been very average this season, and didn't even start for Canterbury at the backend of the season.

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    @ARHS

    The NZ European choice of forwards is good enough; 9 and 10, too. I assume some of the first five-eighths can play at fullback. Plummer can play at 12.
    But the struggle is real for the positions 11, 13 and 14.
    Obviously, I may have missed a few.

    Players named in random order per position:

    1 Coxon - Cobb - Mackintosh - de Groot
    2 Coltman - Riccitelli - McAlister - Slater
    3 O'Neill - Iosefa-Scott - Jager - Thwaites
    4 Strange - Scrafton - Goodhue - Romano
    5 Dickson - M Brown - Pierce - B Evans
    6 Robinson - Thomson - Sanders
    7 D Hunt - L Boshier - M Jacobson - Gibson - T Christie
    8 Flanders - G Evans - L Jacobson - Matich
    9 Drummond - Christie - Roe - Hammington
    10 M Hunt - Gatland - Plummer - Burke - S Hickey - Cameron
    11 Gregory
    12 D McLeod
    13 Collins
    14 Goosen
    15 McKay

    I've assumed D Havili isn't available; if he was, he'd be in the Moana Pasifika squad.

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