The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
That team on the weekend should have won, especially given who they were up against. There were established combinations all over the park, first choice players everywhere, there are no real excuses. Cards are a mitigation, but not an excuse.
I think the Barrett card was crucial and it did change the momentum. That changed how they were going to use the bench as well. Ofa's send off was also significant, it meant that we lost Akira as well as our first choice tighthead and it exposed Lomax as possibly not being up to this level just yet.
As much as many of us thought the changes wouldn't disrupt the combinations too much, they clearly did and TJP was even worse than many of us thought he would be which didn't help matters.
All things considered and with what transpired with the cards, a win there wasn't a given.
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
All things considered and with what transpired with the cards, a win there wasn't a given.
THis is a good point. If we don't cop the initial red card, does Foster's team get up and win? I say yes - the control leading up to Rieko's try was superb. After the card our heads exploded, and we seemed to panic.
Aus still won fair and square, but tough to judge the coach for Ofa's effort
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@nzzp and that is what worried me, card and everything falls apart? id expect better
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@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
After the card our heads exploded, and we seemed to panic.
we get told they train for being a man down, yet Perth last year and this game, would seem they dont.
This is where you have to quesiton the leadership, last year more so with Read being more experienced.
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@taniwharugby yeah, leadership is a worry, TJP has 66 caps, BB 87 and Cane 70...i know they were all captain before but you would think those many caps in the decision making positions would result in some more leadership and a switch in game plan
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@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
After the card our heads exploded, and we seemed to panic.
we get told they train for being a man down, yet Perth last year and this game, would seem they dont.
This is where you have to quesiton the leadership, last year more so with Read being more experienced.
I thought that they quite obviously changed up the tactics when Ofa left. They seemed to get confused once it was 14 on 14 and especially when it was 14 on 13.
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@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nzzp and that is what worried me, card and everything falls apart? id expect better
yes, but red cards in an inexperienced team can make people overthink it.
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Karl Tu'inukuafe (15)
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Codie Taylor (53)
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Ofa Tuungafasi (38)
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Scott Barrett (38)
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Samuel Whitelock (119)
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Akira Ioane *
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Sam Cane (71) - captain
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Ardie Savea (46)
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TJ Perenara (67)
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Beauden Barrett (85)
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Rieko Ioane (31)
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Ngani Laumape (14)
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Anton Lienert-Brown (46)
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Sevu Reece (7)
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Jordie Barrett (20)
...does that really look like an 'inexperience team"?...looks to me more like a very experience team with 1 on debut and only one other with less that 10 caps
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@Kiwiwomble fair call,
it's weird, they felt inexperienced - but looking at that yuo'd expect more out of them. Would be interested to see how many regular starters there ahve been though - of those, I'd suggest Codie, Ofa (recently), Sam, Sam, Ardie, BB, RI and ALB are probably it. and that's 8/15
So, really, pretty inexcusable
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Experience goes out the window when your halfback in his 68th test takes a quick tap from a full arm penalty 8 metres out from your own line and then kicks the ball out anyway - resulting in an opposition throw - turning over possession. He was trying to get 10 extra metres for the 'not back 10' but it's a very very risky play.
Bear mind this was when the ABs were down to 14 men but Swinton had not yet been carded - so it was 14 on 15.
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@KiwiMurph I still bear a grudge for TJP flapping his arms around at the end of Lions 3, and losing the ball and any chance of a win. Attacking scrum on the Lions 25, you should be working for a series winning try or penalty.
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have to say i not a fan of playing for a penalty. You see it alot, dominant scrum trying to get a scrum penalty and it gets messy and someone knocks it on or the just doesn't call it...just play the ball
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@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
have to say i not a fan of playing for a penalty. You see it alot, dominant scrum trying to get a scrum penalty and it gets messy and someone knocks it on or the just doesn't call it...just play the ball
I'm a fan of scrumming for a penalty if you have the dominant scrum, it means easy metres down the field or a shot for 3. What TJP did was beyond stupid though.
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@akan004 i wont go too much into it but struggle with the idea of scrum penalties to start with, i mean they're popping/going backwards because their not as strong as the other scrum...they cant change that on the spot so your being pinged for something out of your control...and then deliberately going for one seems worse...for a different thread though im sure
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@Kiwiwomble hate it. Almost as bad as mauls (period).
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@Kiwiwomble yep, I particularly hate when a YC and PT come from repeated scrums too.
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@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
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Karl Tu'inukuafe (15)
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Codie Taylor (53)
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Ofa Tuungafasi (38)
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Scott Barrett (38)
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Samuel Whitelock (119)
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Akira Ioane *
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Sam Cane (71) - captain
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Ardie Savea (46)
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TJ Perenara (67)
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Beauden Barrett (85)
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Rieko Ioane (31)
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Ngani Laumape (14)
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Anton Lienert-Brown (46)
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Sevu Reece (7)
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Jordie Barrett (20)
...does that really look like an 'inexperience team"?...looks to me more like a very experience team with 1 on debut and only one other with less that 10 caps
The team we finished the game had significantly less experience with the front row, replacement lock and Will Jordan (for a couple of minutes). A factor amongst a number of factors that played out.
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@ACT-Crusader i agree and did say that, was more specifically about directly after the RC and potentially the coaching, should we maybe not have use all the subs and kept the experience, if tired, heads on the field
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
apologist
Apologist?!
start of thread was this:Foster is a RWC SF level coach? Sounds optimistic to me! Rennie just beat Foster's All Blacks with a team he found at Petrie Terrace!Rennie has hardly been impressive either with a record loss just last week. I'm not a fan of Foster's but he shouldn't be totally blamed for the loss, he can't control the stupidity and ill discipline of some of his players.
I think you would find I am NOT a Foster apologist.
He has been in All Black coaching team since 2012!!
The bench selections and swaps (delayed or otherwise) are on him!
