Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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picking someone to cover situations that might happen once or twice in a game and ignoring more basic winger attributes is just silly
and Hunt was on at 15 wasn't he....so shouldn't Jordie be at 15 to cover those kicks?
the more i think about it the more i think the selectors are just afraid of not playing BB and and then getting blasted for not fielding "world players of the year BB" if they dont play well, without forcing BB into the starting 15 things become a bit more simple
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
picking someone to cover situations that might happen once or twice in a game and ignoring more basic winger attributes is just silly
and Hunt was on at 15 wasn't he....so shouldn't Jordie be at 15 to cover those kicks?
the more i think about it the more i think the selectors are just afraid of not playing BB and and then getting blasted for not fielding "world players of the year BB" if they dont play well, without forcing BB into the starting 15 things become a bit more simple
BB showed in the last test he has to start, took a lot of the workload off of Ritchie and his pace creates opportunities.
If JB isn't goalkicking he shouldn't be starting, so I'd replace him with Rieko. Reese is a liability on defence, so I wouldn't pick him.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
BB showed in the last test he has to start, took a lot of the workload off of Ritchie and his pace creates opportunities.
Whats the better 10/15 combo? RM/BB or BB/JB?
I prefer the latter but I think the coaches are worried about next year. But who knows what happens next year? Ioane could mount a serious challenge to Mo'unga (and I suspect his game is better suited to Test rugby)
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
BB showed in the last test he has to start, took a lot of the workload off of Ritchie and his pace creates opportunities.
Whats the better 10/15 combo? RM/BB or BB/JB?
I prefer the later but I think the coaches are worried about next year. But who knows what happens next year? Ioane could mount a serious challenge to Mo'unga (and I suspect his game is better suited to Test rugby)
BB/JB IMO. If RM needs BB selected at fullback so we can have a functioning backline, then he's not the answer at 10.
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all jokes aside,we think Jordie is having a good run of form....and he's played a bit at 12....and midfield is still in flux...give him a run at 12?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
all jokes aside,we think Jordie is having a good run of form....and he's played a bit at 12....and midfield is still in flux...give him a run at 12?
fuck. right. off.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
all jokes aside,we think Jordie is having a good run of form....and he's played a bit at 12....and midfield is still in flux...give him a run at 12?
fuck. right. off.
so...maybe?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
all jokes aside,we think Jordie is having a good run of form....and he's played a bit at 12....and midfield is still in flux...give him a run at 12?
Not for me. If they gave the midfield a settled go for once we might see some improvement. The constant shuffling can't help. Jordie is a good bench option for me - covers 12, full back, wing at at a stretch (in spite of where he has been starting) and 10 if we got really desperate.
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what i find amusing is, there is this notion that you can either diffuse bombs or you can't.
Look across the Ta$man to the other code. League wingers are athletes selected for their finishing ability. Every singe one of them is good under the high ball, because they have to be given the nature of red zone attack.
Perhaps, and this is a crazy idea i know, but perhaps, our coaches could fucking do their job and teach players a new skill?
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@Snowy said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
all jokes aside,we think Jordie is having a good run of form....and he's played a bit at 12....and midfield is still in flux...give him a run at 12?
Not for me. If they gave the midfield a settled go for once we might see some improvement. The constant shuffling can't help. Jordie is a good bench option for me - covers 12, full back, wing at at a stretch (in spite of where he has been starting) and 10 if we got really desperate.
I am just astounded at just how good Jordie is on paper. He's a test-viable option in every spot in the backline! what a phenom. Generational talent...
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@mariner4life He's a good player - he just doesn't have a position and he was playing well. Doesn't that qualify him for the bench?
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@Snowy said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@mariner4life He's a good player - he just doesn't have a position and he was playing well. Doesn't that qualify him for the bench?
i think the bench is a good spot. He still looks like a stop gap on the wing, and i think his brother cemented his spot last weekend.
If he came on at 12 for the ABs in a tight test, i would get very nervous. If he came on at 10 i think i would get heart arrhythmia
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Snowy said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@mariner4life He's a good player - he just doesn't have a position and he was playing well. Doesn't that qualify him for the bench?
i think the bench is a good spot. He still looks like a stop gap on the wing, and i think his brother cemented his spot last weekend.
If he came on at 12 for the ABs in a tight test, i would get very nervous. If he came on at 10 i think i would get heart arrhythmia
Which was pretty much what I said, but we have to cover 7 back positions with 3 players. He can do that more than most.
I was talking injury cover not sending him on as a 10 hence the "really desperate".
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Snowy said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@mariner4life He's a good player - he just doesn't have a position and he was playing well. Doesn't that qualify him for the bench?
i think the bench is a good spot. He still looks like a stop gap on the wing, and i think his brother cemented his spot last weekend.
If he came on at 12 for the ABs in a tight test, i would get very nervous. If he came on at 10 i think i would get heart arrhythmia
If I were picking the team, he'd start with BB at 10. However, given that BB has probably cemented his role at 15 for now, I agree that the bench is where Jordie could/should be.
The thing is that the biggest benefit of picking him on the bench is that you can consider a 6/2 split (which I totally think we try once btw). Then, assuming you start Ioane on the wing, Jordie would be the primary FB cover, wing cover, 2nd option for midfield, and 3rd option for 10 (possibly 4th given TJ is there and it would be a real emergency with at least two injuries for it to happen). We could then load up with Aoane, Kirifi, and Barrett/Vaii for ball runners late in the game.
But if we are going to have three backs on the bench, it's going to be TJ + two of Dmac/Laumape/Ioane/Jordan/Reece/Jordie. Then, I'm not sure I see the benefit, especially if they start Jordan, which they should do. Jordan covers 15, and with Ioane there (especially), there is (more) specialist midfield cover and wing cover too. So, if Jordan or Ioane are there, playing Dmac on the bench kind of makes more sense, as he covers the first receiver option better and covers FB. If it's Laumape on the bench, then Jordie might make more sense as he'd cover wing/FB.
I think they are trying to shoe horn Jordie into 14 this year so that he can start next year, as I think the plan is still for BB to be away. At that point, I guess we'll have - Dmac or Joane on the bench, in a more common breakdown.
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think they are trying to shoe horn Jordie into 14 this year so that he can start next year, as I think the plan is still for BB to be away. At that point, I guess we'll have - Dmac or Joane on the bench, in a more common breakdown
agree with heaps you say (not all though, this is the Fern obviously)
but i think this might be the most pertinent point.
We, as rugby fans of a certain vintage, see the All Blacks as a rep team, selected from the best players right now, to play games now.
In reality, the All Blacks is a team in its own right. Super Rugby is where you show something to get in, but that's pretty much it. Decisions are not made for the now, there is always a planning element involved. Development is done "in house" in a specific way that benefits the All Blacks at some point in the future.
It's why we get upset at decision that don't seem logical given the shit we see. To AB management, i imagine Super Rugby is a very small part of what gets a player in. I doubt NPC rugby is even a consideration any more.
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