Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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I personally think that they should include two real wings.
Jordie at 14 is a bit of luxury and has some major flaws (primarily, he seems to be a bit of a carthorse). Ioane at 14 would make us much more dangerous and we could then bring Barrett off the bench.
Lomax for Nepo looks a good change, and Sotutu should start.
It would be a great test for Aoane to get a bench spot, but we need 7 cover, so Paps it will be. Hopefully at some point this year, they give Aoane a run...
I wonder if we'll get to see Barrett/Barrett 10/15 this year. Probably not for this test but I hope we see it at some point.
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
It would be a great test for Aoane to get a bench spot, but we need 7 cover, so Paps it will be. Hopefully at some point this year, they give Aoane a run...
Papali'i is almost certain to get the bench spot
I think there's a good argument for having Ioane at 6. The Blues combo of Papali'i/Sotutu/Ioane worked together really well and Cane/Sotutu/Ioane is very similar.
Papali'i covers 6 & 7 from the bench. That still leaves the question of 8 cover. I hate the idea of moving Cane. Ioane covers it better than Frizell IMO
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@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
It’s starting to grate as much as when the press wanked on about SBW and how professional he was off the field when he had so many mediocre tests when he was actually on the field.
Jordie does score a lot of tries but he certainly benefits from loads of space and not having to run very far.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
I banged that drum as an advantage he possessed, then we kicked high to his wing about as often as he made 55m penalties
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
yeah...they really are completely overthinking things if height outweighs speed or elusiveness when talking about a winger.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Tim said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sydney job is perfect for Sam Whitelock, who was ruled out of the Auckland match because of concussion.
The word is that the vastly experienced Whitelock is fit for this one. Excellent. It gives Rennie and co something more to worry about.
It's only Knowler, but hopefully this is true.
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
yeah...they really are completely overthinking things if height outweighs speed or elusiveness when talking about a winger.
I'm not sure the press ever got over 2009
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Why has everyone gone cold on Reece? He seemed to have some incredible finishing skills, never seemed to drop the ball and almost scored every time when given the opportunity?
Jordie does that, just heaps slower
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scoring in the corner is obviously important for a winger....but thats a minimum requirement...i mean coles does it pretty easily and im happy of the Otago wingers can do that well.
I want an AB winger to, if given some space, be able to beat his mark, skin the cover, draw the fullback and put someone else away...which i dont see Jordie doing from 14
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
Serious question - how many were kicked to his wing?
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@Kiwiwomble I agree with you, who do you think does that the best of the AB's wingers, Clarke, RIoane, Reece, Jordan, JB?
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@chimoaus i would say reece and clarke (different approaches)
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
Serious question - how many were kicked to his wing?
That’s partly the point. If kicking is accurate then timing, speed and jumping far outweigh height.
Kicks were going on his side of the field just not to his wing.
He isn’t fast enough to get to a position where height makes a difference.In other words a good kicking game nullified physical advantage.
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@Kiwiwomble Another way to think of it is can your winger create something from nothing that leads to points. Clarke did that last test and it made all the difference. Lomu did it all the time and if you think of Kolbe the bloke makes Dmac look big but his actions often lead to points.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
"The latter (Jordie) may lack top-end speed when compared to other test wings, but his height will prove advantageous if the Aussies go for a high kicking game through halfback Nic White"
I am sick of hearing about how great Jordie's height will be against a kicking game. White had a great kicking game in Welly. How many did Jordie catch?
yeah...they really are completely overthinking things if height outweighs speed or elusiveness when talking about a winger.
I'm not sure the press ever got over 2009
And Richard Kahui was a key member of the Bomb Squad.
High ball ability can be developed.
Jordie is not the only person in the squad who can catch em, and if so, start fucking coaching them!
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Who of our current wings have issues under the high ball?
I'm not completely convinced by Reece, but Ioane, Jordan, and Clarke are all OK to very good.
Jordie's height is a bullshit reason.
In fact, Jordan is probably being robbed here, because if Beauden is judged to be the best 15, Jordie probably shouldn't be in the team or on the bench.
With Jordan on the wing or on the bench, there is 10 and FB cover there, so we could load up on attackers or carry 6 forwards.
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@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
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Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
