The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Crucial said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
My biggest concern is that the good performance came somewhat in spite of what they wanted this week and because the hand was forced.
Also that we seem to need to get angry before producing physical performances.
I know there is a fine line in getting fired up but we have had too many games recent years where we aren't finding that balance.You can’t underestimate the human element to this and what motivates individual players. The key will be how the coaching group harness that for a common outcome.
I think it’s to early to tell with this coaching group and the players. Lots of new combos at varying stages of their careers. Some seemingly trying to stake their claim, others that have been around for a while but in and out of starting lineups, some more longstanding pieces that are part of the leaders in the squad.
Cane will be learning too.
All true.
I'm talking more about a pattern that we have were it takes a loss/draw/close game to wind up.
Not saying we can be at full tit every game but it often seems up and down.
At 90% our performance is usaually good enough and we can step up for the real important ones. Trouble is that we seem to drift into these 80% spells where we aren't coming forward, the defence is passive etc. -
@Crucial said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
My biggest concern is that the good performance came somewhat in spite of what they wanted this week and because the hand was forced.
Also that we seem to need to get angry before producing physical performances.
I know there is a fine line in getting fired up but we have had too many games recent years where we aren't finding that balance.To be fair, Clarke over Bridge was probably the only change that was really forced and made a big difference. And also being fair, last year we got a similar AB reaction at Eden Park when George was brought in and played well (though this won't be a popular point).
But, the real point is that Fozzie and Co. did make some important and unforced adjustments that worked out for them.
Bringing Leinert-Brown in to start was a significant improvement and he played one of the best games I can recall from him.
Swapping Coles and Taylor worked well for them - Coles looks in better form and played like it.
And bringing in Hodgman for Big Karl turned out to be an excellent change IMO.
Vaa'i was a forced change and he went well, but I don't think Sam Whitelock was a big part of last week's problems and if he's fit he'll surely be back starting for the next test and rightly so. I'd say the same for Rieko (back on the bench) over PUJ.
They wanted to start Beauden last week, so he was always coming back if fit.
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@Chris-B said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
And also being fair, last year we got a similar AB reaction at Eden Park when George was brought in and played well (though this won't be a popular point)
He did, no doubt. But what's damning is, does yesterday's game go as well if Bridge had played? I would say no given the positive impact Clarke had on the side. Bridge is a good player, but he's not what this team needs.
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@mariner4life Probably not - though the ABs did win by an even larger margin last year. Case could be made that we could have done better yesterday if George had shifted to the right wing.
I'm not going to argue for him over Clarke though, because that's a loser - and anyone who has followed the tenor of my posts here over the years knows that I'm a big fan of size and power in rugby.
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@Chris-B said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life Probably not - though the ABs did win by an even larger margin last year. Case could be made that we could have done better yesterday if George had shifted to the right wing.
I'm not going to argue for him over Clarke though, because that's a loser - and anyone who has followed the tenor of my posts here over the years knows that I'm a big fan of size and power in rugby.
The thing about last year was the Perth performance was abysmal, way more abysmal than last weeks performance. And in the Eden Park game the team, played a lot better than this weeks performance. So basically what I'm saying is the wings had little to do with the improvement last year, but it's arguable Clarke had a huge bearing on the improved performance this week.
Edit: Should have read the post above yours @mariner4life basically said the same thing.
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Two games in and has blooded Vaa’i , Hodgeman, Sotutu, Clarke and PUJ. We are getting more miles on the clock for Mounga and we are able to enjoy having robust and experienced back rows and midfield. Sort of understand what the are hoping to get with Goodhue 12 and ALB 13, something similar to Nonu and Smith. A Ioane and Will Jordan still to come but you would hope they get a shot Bled 3 or 4 depending on injuries and whether we have already won the series. Not much to quibble about overall, I had thought Cane was the wrong choice as Captain but definitely proved me wrong, showing himself to be better as an 80minute player. Not sold on Jordie as a wing and I am happier with BB at full back but do understand that they wanted him on the field.
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@Nepia said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Chris-B said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life Probably not - though the ABs did win by an even larger margin last year. Case could be made that we could have done better yesterday if George had shifted to the right wing.
I'm not going to argue for him over Clarke though, because that's a loser - and anyone who has followed the tenor of my posts here over the years knows that I'm a big fan of size and power in rugby.
So basically what I'm saying is the wings had little to do with the improvement last year, but it's arguable Clarke had a huge bearing on the improved performance this week.
This video suggests the wings made a pretty reasonable contribution to the improvement last year.
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How is Fozzie going thread has quickly turned to an in-depth description of the wingers.
Not convinced that wing is Fozzie's best position.
And not convinced that if wing has been so crucial to AB play this year or last year that it was because of Fozzie's coaching.
The few orchestrated moves I saw over the last 2 games, at least in the backline, did not look that successful. Unless he is coaching spontaneity to Beauden and bowling to Clarke. -
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Does Fozzie even really matter?
holy shit. How many "well dur" articles are you reading at the moment?
Ben Darwin spends an enormous amount of time looking at numbers to reach conclusions everyone already knows.
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Does Fozzie even really matter?
holy shit. How many "well dur" articles are you reading at the moment?
Ben Darwin spends an enormous amount of time looking at numbers to reach conclusions everyone already knows.
The surname is quite apt
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Does Fozzie even really matter?
holy shit. How many "well dur" articles are you reading at the moment?
Ben Darwin spends an enormous amount of time looking at numbers to reach conclusions everyone already knows.
Sadly when it comes to rugby journalism, dur articles are all you get!
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Ben Darwin spends an enormous amount of time looking at numbers to reach conclusions everyone already knows.
Yeah. We used to call them "combinations" or even a "team".
This could be of interest to Fozzie (assuming anyone believes it):
"Ask a rugby player – in either code – to wear a different number on his back and fulfil a slightly less familiar role in a big game and, on average, his team score seven points fewer per game."
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Ben Darwin spends an enormous amount of time looking at numbers to reach conclusions everyone already knows.
Yeah. We used to call them "combinations" or even a "team".
This could be of interest to Fozzie (assuming anyone believes it):
"Ask a rugby player – in either code – to wear a different number on his back and fulfil a slightly less familiar role in a big game and, on average, his team score seven points fewer per game."
ask Christian Cullen. Ask Mils Muliaina. Ask Taine Randell. the list is endless. Again Ben, shit everyone knows!!
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@mariner4life Yeah, except our coach it seems.
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Ask a rugby player – in either code – to wear a different number on his back and fulfil a slightly less familiar role in a big game and, on average, his team score seven points fewer per game."
I find that difficult to believe given how few times a settled team plays the same opposition. Sounds like someone's analysis consists of a pivot table and subtracting two averages...
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Ask a rugby player – in either code – to wear a different number on his back and fulfil a slightly less familiar role in a big game and, on average, his team score seven points fewer per game."
I find that difficult to believe given how few times a settled team plays the same opposition. Sounds like someone's analysis consists of a pivot table and subtracting two averages...
this is groundbreaking research you luddite.
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Ask a rugby player – in either code – to wear a different number on his back and fulfil a slightly less familiar role in a big game and, on average, his team score seven points fewer per game."
I find that difficult to believe given how few times a settled team plays the same opposition. Sounds like someone's analysis consists of a pivot table and subtracting two averages...
I did say "(assuming anyone believes it)".
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Can we judge Foster on playing an Australian side rebuilding or a very underdone Argentina.
Real test will come against teams like SA and England who have very good defensive systems.
Which we have struggled to unlock recently.
We may live in a false bubble this season until we really get tested.