UFC / MMA

MiketheSnow

Two cracking contests.
 
The old saying still stands, 'a good big 'un will beat a good little one' 
McGregor very humble in defeat fair play.

TeWaio

The blood thing freaks me out too much to get into it, despite its obvious appeal. I'm not an old man (I'm <30), and I'm not squeamish about blood generally (I grew up on a pastoral farm).
 
It's just something about continuing to beat the p1ss out of a man/woman despite them being blood-spattered and/or unconscious that freaks me out.
 
At least in boxing, knock someone down -> first thing you do is retire to your corner.

Milk

I like UFC, but if there is one thing that makes me squirm, it's when they use elbows in the ground and pound.

MajorRage

I think there are things in UFC which will make everybody squeamish. But the appeal of the sport, is the limited rules, so pretty much so everything goes.
 
There is no beating up of anybody whose unconscious. Once they are out, it's over. Yes, they go in for the kill when somebody goes down, but thats no different to boxing when somebody continues to punch the hell out of somebody whose clearly done. There is always going to be time between knockout hit/punch and referee intervention.

Unco

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The blood thing freaks me out too much to get into it, despite its obvious appeal. I'm not an old man (I'm <30), and I'm not squeamish about blood generally (I grew up on a pastoral farm).
 
It's just something about continuing to beat the p1ss out of a man/woman despite them being blood-spattered and/or unconscious that freaks me out.
 
At least in boxing, knock someone down -> first thing you do is retire to your corner.
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Yeah, but you're retiring to your corner because the opponent is given a chance to recover and if they do, you continue punching them in the face. In MMA, fighters rush in to make sure the fight is done there and then, which can in the long run result in LESS impact to the head.
 
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I like UFC, but if there is one thing that makes me squirm, it's when they use elbows in the ground and pound.
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Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.

TeWaio

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Yeah, but you're retiring to your corner because the opponent is given a chance to recover and if they do, you continue punching them in the face. In MMA, fighters rush in to make sure the fight is done there and then, which can in the long run result in LESS impact to the head.
 
 
Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.
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That is a good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.
 
 
Dare I ask what an oblique kick is?

MiketheSnow

Straight kick - with the heel being the contact point - and/or side swipe kick - top of foot being the contact point - to an opponent's knee I think.

raznomore

Broken bones. Thats me. If something snaps im out. 
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Milk

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Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.
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Elbows during stand up are bad-ass, but when they are on the ground and the head has now where to go (no give) as it's pressed onto the canvas, it grosses me out.
 
Agree on the oblique kicks... you see a lot of them from Holly Holm and Jon Jones.

SimonAdd

I'm against elbows on the ground sole because banning them would encourage more fighters to try to pass the guard, thus opening up both more submission and more escapes back to the feet. There's little more boring in MMA than the guy on top staying in guard, hiding his head and throwing the occasional elbow. 
Although pushing your opponent up against the fence kneeling them in the thigh also runs it close. 
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Cookie

Not too keen on the old Jon Jones spinning elbow. Looks great, but one of these days it's going to seriously break someone's face. And not in a good way.

MiketheSnow

Some interesting bouts prior to UFC on Fox 19 - Teixeira v Evans
 
Hunt beating Mir.
Dos Santos beating Rothwell.
 
UFC on Fox 19 great card.
 
Chiesa did really well to come back against Dariush
 
Dodson swarmed Gamburyan.
 
Swanson v Dias was just a good old scrap, with Swanson prevailing.
 
Nurmagomedov too good for Horcher.
 
Namajuna v Torres was a barnburner.
 
And in the main card Teixeira buckled Evans in the 1st.

MajorRage

McGregor chucked out of UFC200 for not honouring commitments.
 
Tweets that he's going to retire young, something about cheese.
 
Not sure what to make of this. Unlike many others I respect Dana White immensely, so I'm sure there is more to it than what is being published.

MajorRage

Very good write-up from Yahoo on this whole thing.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://sports.yahoo.com/news/making-sense-of-dana-white-s-decision-to-pull-conor-mcgregor-from-ufc-200-032550502.html'>http://sports.yahoo.com/news/making-sense-of-dana-white-s-decision-to-pull-conor-mcgregor-from-ufc-200-032550502.html</a>
 
They are spot on about the card. IT's bloody strong as it is, but if they got Jon Jones on there too, it really would be a case of Conor Who?

Frye

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Unlike many others I respect Dana White immensely, so I'm sure there is more to it than what is being published.
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I've been a supporter of his generally but I think the Reebok deal was probably the turning point for me.

Unco

Ha, the UFC wishes adding Jon Jones would be a case of "Conor Who?" but in reality, that's like dropping the All Blacks and replacing them with South Africa. Nowhere near as popular, likeable or entertaining.
 
Also, fuck, Khabib ended up fighting on the Fox card? I lost all interest in that show once Ferguson pulled out and it didn't sound like they were going to find a replacement but I guess they found a jobber to throw around. He may not get too many finishes but it's fun watching him throw his opponents around the octagon like rag dolls.

MiketheSnow

Whichever way you look at it that week is going to be huge.
 
UFC 200
Fury v Klitschko
 
And by the looks of it Joshua v an undisclosed at this time opponent
 
Bring it :)

scruffy-lookin

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I've been a supporter of his generally but I think the Reebok deal was probably the turning point for me.
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I'm not anti-Dana - I think what he and the Fretitta's have done taking the sport from the far fringe to where it is today is amazing - but Dana is UFC-first and there are clearly some issues about how fighter pay and matchmaking work. It's crazy that there are guys fighting for the UFC earning 10K and 10K and while I can only guess at what the UFC grosses and have no real idea what its running costs are it does seem that the fighters are getting less as a percentage than athletes in other major sports. 
 
For the most part the way the UFC is run works out great for me as a fan but I see why a lot of fighters are dissatisfied with a systems that seems weighted against them. The UFC is experiencing a boom at the moment and it's because it has two stars who have been able to cross over with the mainstream audience this is the first time we've seen one of the new stars break from the company line and it was interesting to see how quickly Dana smacked Conor down. The UFC seems to be of the opinion that either Conor will fall into line or the loss of revenue at UFC 200 is worth the affect that giving into fighter demands would have on the future. 
 
Changing gears, looking forward to seeing Jon Jones fight OSP tomorrow. For those who don't like elbows on the ground, this may be one to skip. Solid main card. Pettis v Barboza has the potential to be a classic stand up war between two of the best kickers in the UFC. I always enjoy watching Demetrious Johnson fight and it will be interesting to see him against a bigger guy and to see whether Cejudo tries to use his wrestling offesively or whether he tries to out box Johnson.

MiketheSnow

Solid card for UFC 197
 
Mighty Mouse more than lived up to his name.
 
Jones was rusty but loosened up enough to show the Cormier rematch should be a cracker.

MajorRage

McGregor has tweeted that he's back on for UFC 200.
 
The thing about McGregor's rants is that he forgets very very quickly that he didnt take the massive business risks and put all the infrastructure in place for it. He's 3-4 knockouts away from being just another past-it fighter, UFC will go on with or without him. If you are going to take on the President/CEO, then you need to have a lot of things in place, which he just didn't have - or frankly, even come close to having.
 
Jones fight was a little dull - he completely destroyed him on the stat count, but there was little to get very excited about. It was certainly better for Jones that he didn't fight Courmier first up, I suspect he may have gotten beat. What was excellent though, in my opinion, is that the offical UFC broadcast had Cormier in the commentary box- and the guy was pretty bloody good actually. Well spoken, respectful and pointing out so many things in amongst Rogan's excitement. It was an excellent move that one.

The Silver Fern

UFC / MMA