UFC / MMA

raznomore

I see Peter Williams has questioned the legitimacy of mma as a sport this morning. 
Too much blood for his liking. Football, rugby and boxing all have measures in place to limit the blood and mma celebrates it. Took a massive swipe at the US, thier gun laws and even NFL. Forgetting that Japan, Brazil, Many European countries and Australia all have huge mma bases. 
It does take some getting used to. I was not an instant fan the first time I saw it in a sports bar in Brisbane in the late 90s. But Williams has criticised this from the wrong angle. Just sounds like an old man scared of the future.

MajorRage

It's a sport that is always going to divide people as it's so barbaric by nature. Yes, the blood ain't necessarily a good look, but reality it's kind of one of those is what it is things.
 
The fighters want to fight, the fans want to watch it ... can you imagine the havoc the likes of Diaz would cause on the city streets instead?

Godder

IMO, the focus on submissions and ground fighting makes it safer than many sports - obviously there's a bit of striking of the head, but it's better than boxing or American Football because concussions are rarer, and they get time off if they get KO'd.

MiketheSnow

Two cracking contests.
 
The old saying still stands, 'a good big 'un will beat a good little one' 
McGregor very humble in defeat fair play.

TeWaio

The blood thing freaks me out too much to get into it, despite its obvious appeal. I'm not an old man (I'm <30), and I'm not squeamish about blood generally (I grew up on a pastoral farm).
 
It's just something about continuing to beat the p1ss out of a man/woman despite them being blood-spattered and/or unconscious that freaks me out.
 
At least in boxing, knock someone down -> first thing you do is retire to your corner.

Milk

I like UFC, but if there is one thing that makes me squirm, it's when they use elbows in the ground and pound.

MajorRage

I think there are things in UFC which will make everybody squeamish. But the appeal of the sport, is the limited rules, so pretty much so everything goes.
 
There is no beating up of anybody whose unconscious. Once they are out, it's over. Yes, they go in for the kill when somebody goes down, but thats no different to boxing when somebody continues to punch the hell out of somebody whose clearly done. There is always going to be time between knockout hit/punch and referee intervention.

Unco

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The blood thing freaks me out too much to get into it, despite its obvious appeal. I'm not an old man (I'm <30), and I'm not squeamish about blood generally (I grew up on a pastoral farm).
 
It's just something about continuing to beat the p1ss out of a man/woman despite them being blood-spattered and/or unconscious that freaks me out.
 
At least in boxing, knock someone down -> first thing you do is retire to your corner.
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Yeah, but you're retiring to your corner because the opponent is given a chance to recover and if they do, you continue punching them in the face. In MMA, fighters rush in to make sure the fight is done there and then, which can in the long run result in LESS impact to the head.
 
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I like UFC, but if there is one thing that makes me squirm, it's when they use elbows in the ground and pound.
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Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.

TeWaio

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Yeah, but you're retiring to your corner because the opponent is given a chance to recover and if they do, you continue punching them in the face. In MMA, fighters rush in to make sure the fight is done there and then, which can in the long run result in LESS impact to the head.
 
 
Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.
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That is a good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.
 
 
Dare I ask what an oblique kick is?

MiketheSnow

Straight kick - with the heel being the contact point - and/or side swipe kick - top of foot being the contact point - to an opponent's knee I think.

raznomore

Broken bones. Thats me. If something snaps im out. 
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Milk

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Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.
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Elbows during stand up are bad-ass, but when they are on the ground and the head has now where to go (no give) as it's pressed onto the canvas, it grosses me out.
 
Agree on the oblique kicks... you see a lot of them from Holly Holm and Jon Jones.

SimonAdd

I'm against elbows on the ground sole because banning them would encourage more fighters to try to pass the guard, thus opening up both more submission and more escapes back to the feet. There's little more boring in MMA than the guy on top staying in guard, hiding his head and throwing the occasional elbow. 
Although pushing your opponent up against the fence kneeling them in the thigh also runs it close. 
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Cookie

Not too keen on the old Jon Jones spinning elbow. Looks great, but one of these days it's going to seriously break someone's face. And not in a good way.

MiketheSnow

Some interesting bouts prior to UFC on Fox 19 - Teixeira v Evans
 
Hunt beating Mir.
Dos Santos beating Rothwell.
 
UFC on Fox 19 great card.
 
Chiesa did really well to come back against Dariush
 
Dodson swarmed Gamburyan.
 
Swanson v Dias was just a good old scrap, with Swanson prevailing.
 
Nurmagomedov too good for Horcher.
 
Namajuna v Torres was a barnburner.
 
And in the main card Teixeira buckled Evans in the 1st.

MajorRage

McGregor chucked out of UFC200 for not honouring commitments.
 
Tweets that he's going to retire young, something about cheese.
 
Not sure what to make of this. Unlike many others I respect Dana White immensely, so I'm sure there is more to it than what is being published.

MajorRage

Very good write-up from Yahoo on this whole thing.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://sports.yahoo.com/news/making-sense-of-dana-white-s-decision-to-pull-conor-mcgregor-from-ufc-200-032550502.html'>http://sports.yahoo.com/news/making-sense-of-dana-white-s-decision-to-pull-conor-mcgregor-from-ufc-200-032550502.html</a>
 
They are spot on about the card. IT's bloody strong as it is, but if they got Jon Jones on there too, it really would be a case of Conor Who?

Frye

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Unlike many others I respect Dana White immensely, so I'm sure there is more to it than what is being published.
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I've been a supporter of his generally but I think the Reebok deal was probably the turning point for me.

Unco

Ha, the UFC wishes adding Jon Jones would be a case of "Conor Who?" but in reality, that's like dropping the All Blacks and replacing them with South Africa. Nowhere near as popular, likeable or entertaining.
 
Also, fuck, Khabib ended up fighting on the Fox card? I lost all interest in that show once Ferguson pulled out and it didn't sound like they were going to find a replacement but I guess they found a jobber to throw around. He may not get too many finishes but it's fun watching him throw his opponents around the octagon like rag dolls.

MiketheSnow

Whichever way you look at it that week is going to be huge.
 
UFC 200
Fury v Klitschko
 
And by the looks of it Joshua v an undisclosed at this time opponent
 
Bring it :)

The Silver Fern

UFC / MMA