All Blacks Tests 2020
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Weird thing is a weakened team could make it the memorable game in years.
The only memories of euphoria I have ahead of Mike Brewer rumbling over for the Baby Blacks in 86 are the 2011 and 2015 RWC final tries.
Although I concede 1983 and 2002 EOPY tours, with self-inflicted weakness - it didn't feel the same (and we lost or drew the big games)
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
So if Aus were keen to have a shortened tournament if TRC was in NZ why can't they move the final game ABs-Wallabies to midweek say Wednesday 9 December?
potentially broadcasters not allowing a midweek game?
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@Kirwan how did you come to that conclusion? RA agreed and South Afric and Argentina vetoed NZs preference.
Thats what the article says, anyway.
It also said NZ turned down the exact same request when RA made it. Which seems fairly hypocritical to me.
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6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
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@Derpus said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Kirwan how did you come to that conclusion? RA agreed and South Afric and Argentina vetoed NZs preference.
Thats what the article says, anyway.
It also said NZ turned down the exact same request when RA made it. Which seems fairly hypocritical to me.
However, despite Rugby Australia sources insisting otherwise, Robinson was adamant that NZ Rugby had also given the green light to RA's request for the Wallabies to be home for Christmas, and he expected that to be reciprocated for the All Blacks in Australia. “We had a scenario that we've been focused on of New Zealand and Australia being able to play the tournament across five weeks, and it would have been the same had it been played in New Zealand,” Robinson said. “That was always the principle we were working on. “We were committed to the Australians being back at home with their families before Christmas. -
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
in a RWC year we play each other once and WR compensates each Tier 1 nation by 15m each to sacrafice their schedules to fit the tournament in.
The emergency 15m that the ARU got form WR earlier this year, that was their 2023 payment brought forward.
Why not just come home on the 27th of December, what's the big deal.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Derpus said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Kirwan how did you come to that conclusion? RA agreed and South Afric and Argentina vetoed NZs preference.
Thats what the article says, anyway.
It also said NZ turned down the exact same request when RA made it. Which seems fairly hypocritical to me.
However, despite Rugby Australia sources insisting otherwise, Robinson was adamant that NZ Rugby had also given the green light to RA's request for the Wallabies to be home for Christmas, and he expected that to be reciprocated for the All Blacks in Australia. “We had a scenario that we've been focused on of New Zealand and Australia being able to play the tournament across five weeks, and it would have been the same had it been played in New Zealand,” Robinson said. “That was always the principle we were working on. “We were committed to the Australians being back at home with their families before Christmas.I'm certainly not averse to squeezing the 6 tests into 5 weeks, if all 4 agree, It would mean rotation and therefore in the wash no t much difference to playing a weakened team in the 6th match.
It would also be the cheaper option than flying over any extra replacements for the last game . Or throwing a hissy fit and having to compensate people.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
in a RWC year we play each other once and WR compensates each Tier 1 nation by 15m each to sacrafice their schedules to fit the tournament in.
The emergency 15m that the ARU got form WR earlier this year, that was their 2023 payment brought forward.
Why not just come home on the 27th of December, what's the big deal.
Players aren't robots and are allowed to spend time with their family over xmas? Particularly those with new children.
Same as any other job.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Games wise I am sure that NZR is also keeping in mind the world rankings. We have an opportunity at this tournament to claim the #1 position back and that means a lot to NZR in the saleability of the brand to sponsors.
It will be a claytons ranking this year, SA have had hardly any rugby.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
in a RWC year we play each other once and WR compensates each Tier 1 nation by 15m each to sacrafice their schedules to fit the tournament in.
The emergency 15m that the ARU got form WR earlier this year, that was their 2023 payment brought forward.
Why not just come home on the 27th of December, what's the big deal.
Players aren't robots and are allowed to spend time with their family over xmas? Particularly those with new children.
Same as any other job.
Yes, they don't have to play. I bear no grudge.
Or, if their employer allows, they can play half or 3/4s. and bail early.I doubt being home on the 25th or 27th makes much different if they have only really young kids (under 18 months). They don't know what day it is. It's the 10 weeks away that would hurt.
The South Africans and Argentinians are in the same boat. Why Is Robinson writing public letters instead of shoring up some voting numbers with Saffas and Argies? He has alienated all his former friends? Well, then let's get on and deal with it. Pick a squad that can meet the conditions, no grudges at those who mot out. And do it quick so those not going can get back to NPC and earn their salaries and boost some crowds.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Games wise I am sure that NZR is also keeping in mind the world rankings. We have an opportunity at this tournament to claim the #1 position back and that means a lot to NZR in the saleability of the brand to sponsors.
I recall reading somewhere a mention of offering rankings being unaffected due to Covid-19 for this year?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Interestingly - from a player welfare point of view - Wales played 7 tests in 5.5 weeks at RWC 2019 - admittedly two of those tests were against Georgia/Uruguay but on the other hand much smaller squads for RWC (31 for RWC - 46 for TRC).
All teams who progressed to semi final stage would have had 7 tests in 6 weeks, but includes minnows ...
Most relevantly the pool of death team (England) who progressed to semi final stage would have had 7 tests (6 of them v tier 1) in 6 weeks. If not for the typhoon.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
in a RWC year we play each other once and WR compensates each Tier 1 nation by 15m each to sacrafice their schedules to fit the tournament in.
The emergency 15m that the ARU got form WR earlier this year, that was their 2023 payment brought forward.
Why not just come home on the 27th of December, what's the big deal.
Players aren't robots and are allowed to spend time with their family over xmas? Particularly those with new children.
Same as any other job.
Yes, they don't have to play. I bear no grudge.
Or, if their employer allows, they can play half or 3/4s. and bail early.I doubt being home on the 25th or 27th makes much different if they have only really young kids (under 18 months). They don't know what day it is. It's the 10 weeks away that would hurt.
The South Africans and Argentinians are in the same boat. Why Is Robinson writing public letters instead of shoring up some voting numbers with Saffas and Argies? He has alienated all his former friends? Well, then let's get one and deal with it. Pick a squad that can meet the conditions, no grudges.
Those times of year are important for the family, not just the kids. Those partners will need support after just having kids as well.
I don't like viewing the players as dancing monkeys, just because SANZAAR can't organise a pissup in brewery, don't see why the players should suffer for it.
They have squads of 46, the player safety angle they are bleating about is covered by that. No reason to not have a compressed schedule except to stick it to NZR.
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@Derpus said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Bovidae irrelevant to TRC as it is dependent on the international window for player release.
I'm only talking about the NZ-Aust tests, and none of the ABs or Wallabies require an international release. We could have played at least 3 of these tests before the rest of TRC started. But obviously SANZAAR want their 2 games per day format, and SA pushed for a later start as they only start playing this weekend.
