All Blacks Tests 2020
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Options.
Sort out replacement for the last game (if needed).
Or choose a squad of footloose young punks. Would actually make what is a bit of a box-ticking chore into an interesting tournament.
Or forfeit and take the financial hit of reduced TV and sponsorship income. Including the cost of compensating your SANZAAR partners for their loss of income from your decision.Job done.
Reading the article, it looks like NZR and RA had an agreement to get their players home for Christmas, regardless of where the tournament was played. RA has renegged on that agreement.
Not sure why you think NRU should foot the bill for a schedule they haven't agreed to? Bit weird.
Lets assume we play the game, but with a B or C squad with a significant number of ABs staying at home. And the All Blacks win. Kind of validates the NZR position that their isn't enough depth in Oz for five super rugby teams, IMO.
Your last point
"lets assume we play the game, but with a B or C squad with a significant number of ABs staying at home. And the All Blacks win. Kind of validates the NZR position that their isn't enough depth in Oz for five super rugby teams, IMO."
Would be mighty embarrassing for RA and blow the 5 Aussie SR teams out of the water.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Options.
Sort out replacement for the last game (if needed).
Or choose a squad of footloose young punks. Would actually make what is a bit of a box-ticking chore into an interesting tournament.
Or forfeit and take the financial hit of reduced TV and sponsorship income. Including the cost of compensating your SANZAAR partners for their loss of income from your decision.Job done.
Reading the article, it looks like NZR and RA had an agreement to get their players home for Christmas, regardless of where the tournament was played. RA has renegged on that agreement.
Not sure why you think NRU should foot the bill for a schedule they haven't agreed to? Bit weird.
Lets assume we play the game, but with a B or C squad with a significant number of ABs staying at home. And the All Blacks win. Kind of validates the NZR position that their isn't enough depth in Oz for five super rugby teams, IMO.
Gave me a cracking idea. Lets put that 5th Aussie team on the line for this game. AB's win, Aus only get 4, we lose, they get 5. Would encourage the AB's to field a full strength side and would add some heated meaning to the game! Great job Kirwan!
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I think Robinson is trying to tell the public it is not his fault, so not to blame him. Nor do I blame the aussies if that part is true after playing hard ball ourselves with them.
I think they play regardless, however unlike some other nations wearing the black jersey still means a lot and they will not try to make up numbers and will go out to win, whoever plays.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Obviously the ABs and Wallabies could fly out Sunday eveing after Test 2, and then play Sun 1st and skip the last weekend - a bit tight!
You could make an argument we are already a month behind schedule waiting for SR AU to finish. NZ and Aust could have played at least one of the tests in NZ already.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Options.
Sort out replacement for the last game (if needed).
Or choose a squad of footloose young punks. Would actually make what is a bit of a box-ticking chore into an interesting tournament.
Or forfeit and take the financial hit of reduced TV and sponsorship income. Including the cost of compensating your SANZAAR partners for their loss of income from your decision.Job done.
Reading the article, it looks like NZR and RA had an agreement to get their players home for Christmas, regardless of where the tournament was played. RA has renegged on that agreement.
Not sure why you think NRU should foot the bill for a schedule they haven't agreed to? Bit weird.
Lets assume we play the game, but with a B or C squad with a significant number of ABs staying at home. And the All Blacks win. Kind of validates the NZR position that their isn't enough depth in Oz for five super rugby teams, IMO.
SANZAAR are obligated to provide a tournament of 12 matches if they want to receive their broadcasting and sponsorship payments.
I don't know how the legality of SANZAAR works. I'm just shooting the breeze assuming a majority vote of 3 out of 4 is enough to be binding.
My point is if 3 out of 4 agree a schedule, but NZ force 1 game to be forfeit. Then money coming in from Investec and the Broadcasters to each of the 4 .... NZ should/could have to make up the shortfall to the partners if those clients chose to withhold 1/12th of their payments. if 1/12th of the tournament isn't played.
Being home 2 days after xmas isn't really a force majeure. The South African government preventing any sport being played, any group training and gatherings, therefore delaying their pre-season is probably a force majeure.
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Weird thing is a weakened team could make it the memorable game in years.
The only memories of euphoria I have ahead of Mike Brewer rumbling over for the Baby Blacks in 86 are the 2011 and 2015 RWC final tries.
Although I concede 1983 and 2002 EOPY tours, with self-inflicted weakness - it didn't feel the same (and we lost or drew the big games)
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
So if Aus were keen to have a shortened tournament if TRC was in NZ why can't they move the final game ABs-Wallabies to midweek say Wednesday 9 December?
potentially broadcasters not allowing a midweek game?
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@Kirwan how did you come to that conclusion? RA agreed and South Afric and Argentina vetoed NZs preference.
Thats what the article says, anyway.
It also said NZ turned down the exact same request when RA made it. Which seems fairly hypocritical to me.
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6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
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@Derpus said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Kirwan how did you come to that conclusion? RA agreed and South Afric and Argentina vetoed NZs preference.
Thats what the article says, anyway.
It also said NZ turned down the exact same request when RA made it. Which seems fairly hypocritical to me.
However, despite Rugby Australia sources insisting otherwise, Robinson was adamant that NZ Rugby had also given the green light to RA's request for the Wallabies to be home for Christmas, and he expected that to be reciprocated for the All Blacks in Australia. “We had a scenario that we've been focused on of New Zealand and Australia being able to play the tournament across five weeks, and it would have been the same had it been played in New Zealand,” Robinson said. “That was always the principle we were working on. “We were committed to the Australians being back at home with their families before Christmas. -
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
in a RWC year we play each other once and WR compensates each Tier 1 nation by 15m each to sacrafice their schedules to fit the tournament in.
The emergency 15m that the ARU got form WR earlier this year, that was their 2023 payment brought forward.
Why not just come home on the 27th of December, what's the big deal.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Derpus said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Kirwan how did you come to that conclusion? RA agreed and South Afric and Argentina vetoed NZs preference.
Thats what the article says, anyway.
It also said NZ turned down the exact same request when RA made it. Which seems fairly hypocritical to me.
However, despite Rugby Australia sources insisting otherwise, Robinson was adamant that NZ Rugby had also given the green light to RA's request for the Wallabies to be home for Christmas, and he expected that to be reciprocated for the All Blacks in Australia. “We had a scenario that we've been focused on of New Zealand and Australia being able to play the tournament across five weeks, and it would have been the same had it been played in New Zealand,” Robinson said. “That was always the principle we were working on. “We were committed to the Australians being back at home with their families before Christmas.I'm certainly not averse to squeezing the 6 tests into 5 weeks, if all 4 agree, It would mean rotation and therefore in the wash no t much difference to playing a weakened team in the 6th match.
It would also be the cheaper option than flying over any extra replacements for the last game . Or throwing a hissy fit and having to compensate people.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
6 games over 6 weeks...
in a RWC year we play each other once dont we?
Why couldnt they do that in a Covid year?
Or, if they wanted more $$$, play each other once, top 2 play the 'final' bottom 2 play 3rd/4th...4 games over 4 weeks.
in a RWC year we play each other once and WR compensates each Tier 1 nation by 15m each to sacrafice their schedules to fit the tournament in.
The emergency 15m that the ARU got form WR earlier this year, that was their 2023 payment brought forward.
Why not just come home on the 27th of December, what's the big deal.
Players aren't robots and are allowed to spend time with their family over xmas? Particularly those with new children.
Same as any other job.
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