AB Captain
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@KiwiMurph not arguing when its a pretty clear choice as that was from memory, not a hard and fast rule or anything, just thought a given that if given two options equal in every sense except age you'd pick the younger one given the benefits you might get from being longer in the job, might be wrong
to be clear, not campaigning for cane to loose the job, just as likely he'll have a blinder first game up for the AB's and this is never mentioned again
So who's the young gun that's going to be captain?
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@Crucial slow down here, as i say, not starting a petition, was just a comment on how weird it is having a captain announced so long before a game has been played
it wasn't so much about a young captain, i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Crucial slow down here, as i say, not starting a petition, was just a comment on how weird it is having a captain announced so long before a game has been played
it wasn't so much about a young captain, i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
Ok sorry. Didn't realise that your confusion was causing brain scrambles
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
Who have they been? I wouldn't select Kirifi, Dalton, Christie or Hunt of Cane. None of them are close. Gibson is always broken. It's really just down to Ardie and Sam. I prefer to start a test match with Sam and bring on Ardie for impact.
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@Nepia 100% percent admit im bias but id give Hunt a go, he's been epic, i know its subjective but pretty common pick in "team of the week" type articles suggest he's in a rich vein of form
thats putting the captaincy aside of course, taking that into consideration it obviously becomes a more one sided discussion
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia 100% percent admit im bias but id give Hunt a go, he's been epic, i know its subjective but pretty common pick in "team of the week" type articles suggest he's in a rich vein of form
thats putting the captaincy aside of course, taking that into consideration it obviously becomes a more one sided discussion
I like Hunt, he's come back well this year after seemingly falling off the charts in recent years but can't see him surpassing Cane.
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@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
Lentjes was selected ahead of him before being selected captain and proved he wasn't at the same standard as Hunt...then he got made captain.
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If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
Taylor likely starter ATM.
Coles not playing the house downLocks.
Whitelock. Currently a starter, but wil he remain so when BBBR returns? and likely (or at least potetially) an 80 minute player. But only a short term option. Won't make 2023.
Paddy T. Starter this year. Potentially 80 minute player. Not locked in to top XV (but could be).
Barrett S. Not locked in to top 23.Looseforwards
Unknown mixHalfbacks
Won't play 8010s
Who starts and who plays 80?Midfield
Potential 80 minute players here. But the mix is unclearWings
Who picks a wing as captain?
And again who is guaranteed to start? Rieko? But is he captaincy material?Fullback
BB has potential to play 80Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
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@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Taylor is the obvious choice as a first choice starter and emerging leader.
Now that’s an unexpected opinion!
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@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.
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@antipodean said in AB Captain:
@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.
One of the big contributing factors in last year's failures was a lack of dominant tackling. Made even more puzzling by Cane's omission in the semi.
2019
draw v SA - Cane didn't play
loss v Aus - Cane subbed after 50 minutes with Ardie remaining on
loss to England -Cane played the second half with Ardie at 7 -
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
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@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
Didn't Australia do it for a while with Moore? Still not ideal.
Looks especially bad if you have to pull the captain when they are most needed in a tight game.
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@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
I don't agree with 2. If you pick a good vice-captain (or two), there's no reason for the captain to play 80. So, to me, a prop, hooker (or halfback) can be captain. Captain must be in the 23 and I'd prefer him to start, but if he's not starting, the vice-captain must start. So the choice of vice-captain is almost as important as the choice of captain.
