Chiefs v Highlanders
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found this on rugbyworld.com was rules explained for 6 nations 2020
Can the TMO intervene on any matter they like?
No, the TMO in rugby is basically restricted to two crucial areas:
- The scoring of a try, whether the grounding of the ball or the build-up to the try. Any infringement within the two phases prior to a try would render it illegal.
A referee can also use the TMO’s help to ascertain whether a kick went between the posts, but that’s quite a rare occurrence.
- Possible foul play. The TMO is free to communicate with the referee at any time if he sees something he suspects is foul play. Equally, the referee can ask the TMO to look at an incident, either while the game continues or after stopping play.
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whether to let an accidental offside go or not...just ask Poite about it*
- I know different circumstances, but still something to ponder given both went upstairs too
- I know different circumstances, but still something to ponder given both went upstairs too
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@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
That was a weird moment (highlighted by Marshall) when Laulala was allowed to get away with stopping Smith immediately after he took a quick tap.
Other refsblues fansmight have called that deliberate foul play, delaying the quick tapFIFY 😉
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@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
found this on rugbyworld.com was rules explained for 6 nations 2020
Can the TMO intervene on any matter they like?
No, the TMO in rugby is basically restricted to two crucial areas:
- The scoring of a try, whether the grounding of the ball or the build-up to the try. Any infringement within the two phases prior to a try would render it illegal.
A referee can also use the TMO’s help to ascertain whether a kick went between the posts, but that’s quite a rare occurrence.
- Possible foul play. The TMO is free to communicate with the referee at any time if he sees something he suspects is foul play. Equally, the referee can ask the TMO to look at an incident, either while the game continues or after stopping play.
So I don't read that as saying they're only allowed to go back two phases. Which means if the guidelines are the same then he's well within his rights to disallow the try.
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So the whole game chat is a minute law discussion?
Cute
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Just watched it again with volume up, and I reckon the AR must’ve seen something because when the refs came together after the DMac dotted down, they were pretty quick to refer it and at least one of them said so.
And I think someone mentioned it earlier that these types of situations often get overlooked. I don’t think they do. The refs are pretty good at picking it up.
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@Machpants said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@gt12 said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
There is no way we have enough depth for 8 strong teams, what a fucking dream
But we do, 8 teams would be at least the equal to the level of the 5 in Oz
We also don’t know how good a lot of the fringe players could get if they given several games in a row rather than filling in here and there
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
So the whole game chat is a minute law discussion?
Cute
Well it's not, but hey it was a pretty tight game. Why not discuss seemingly minute things.
Oh and...look at the scoreboard.
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What a comeback!
Smith is playing fucking well this year. Has to be the form player in NZ.Frizell and MMT were good too. I’ve said it before but it is crazy the depth coming through for that 6/8 spot that has been such an issue since Kaino left.
Boshier would be a good shot at the third choice 7
for the ABs. Not sure he is actually supporting his own body weight for some of those turnovers though.On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
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Just watched. My goodness. I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but there is something about seeing Aaron Mauger and Tony Brown celebrating at the expense of Gatland that warms my heart.
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
TMO calls a forward pass after All Blacks appear to have scored | Rugbydump
Earlier today the Springboks beat the All Blacks 18-5 in their Tri Nations encounter in Port Elizabeth. Here's a quick look at one of the big talking points from the game.
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
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@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
TMO calls a forward pass after All Blacks appear to have scored | Rugbydump
Earlier today the Springboks beat the All Blacks 18-5 in their Tri Nations encounter in Port Elizabeth. Here's a quick look at one of the big talking points from the game.
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
TMO calls a forward pass after All Blacks appear to have scored | Rugbydump
Earlier today the Springboks beat the All Blacks 18-5 in their Tri Nations encounter in Port Elizabeth. Here's a quick look at one of the big talking points from the game.
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
or the ref being over cautious and blowing a play up when he otherwise could have let it go and checked back.because it's rugby, it's not supposed to be perfect. If you miss it in real time, tough shit. Call it, or don't call it. Stop being half pregnant.
Also there is so much subjective stuff in a game of rugby, that a try could be rubbed out for a difference of opinion.
