Chiefs v Highlanders
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so have i . cane created one two more after that that is three after incident
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Does it really matter? Worst case he made one mistake to fix another
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@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
so have i . cane created one two more after that that is three after incident
That breakdown was created from the offside play. Two after that.
Tupaea with the crucial miss on Tomkinson too. Ouch.
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What a disaster Warren Gatland has been for the Chiefs. Sucked the spirit out of the franchise. Not sure he's returning after his stint with the Lions.
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@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Crucial found this online RWC explaining the rules
fromThe scoring of a try, whether the grounding of the ball or the build-up to the try. Any infringement within the two phases prior to a try would render it illegal.That’s what I thought.
Others have said it was 3 rucks so Cane was right to question it and the ref should have checked that the TMO was keeping to protocol. Has baby face ever actually TMOd before? I can’t remember it if he has.
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When you look at the guys upfront who finished that game for the Chiefs, three things become apparent:
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The chiefs have been hurt by injuries - rather than Moli finishing up, we have Geldenhys
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The chiefs have been hurt by injuries and coaches don’t know what the fuck they are doing - Nel is playing club rugby while old man Thomson gets a run
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There is no way we have enough depth for 8 strong teams, what a fucking dream
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@Bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
so have i . cane created one two more after that that is three after incident
That breakdown was created from the offside play. Two after that.
Tupaea with the crucial miss on Tomkinson too. Ouch.
That breakdown still counts as it happened after the incident surely.
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@Bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
so have i . cane created one two more after that that is three after incident
That breakdown was created from the offside play. Two after that.
Tupaea with the crucial miss on Tomkinson too. Ouch.
So how many after it touched Trask? That’s all that matters.
I think the ref team fucked up on this but it is understandable why. Just think maybe they should have double checked when the question was raised. -
@Bones
trask was the offside player not cane .hit trask cane claimed ball (he would have claimed it even if it hadnt hit trask, bit like running into your own player and not inpeading another tackler,,i know that doent matter) three rucks after offside player dmac scores -
@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Bones
trask was the offside player not cane .hit trask cane claimed ball (he would have claimed it even if it hadnt hit trask, bit like running into your own player and not inpeading another tackler,,i know that doent matter) three rucks after offside player dmac scoresThat’s the whole thing, we don’t know he would have regained it, I don’t get people getting really strict about was it two rucks or three but just skipping over the offside to start with
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One of the great games of Super Rugby of All Time by Aaron Smith. Absolutely amazing. Player of the Tournament.
My only concern is how many minutes he's clocking up when the ABs will need him later in the year.
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I’m not too worried about that one; I thought it was a bit harsh, but if it had gone the other way I probably wouldn’t want it awarded.
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@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
he would have claimed it even if it hadnt hit trask
Ok now I know you're not really taking it seriously. How on earth do you know this? I guess the Highlanders that the ball was traveling towards on the other side of Trask were just gonna stand and watch right?
Three breakdowns after the ball hit Trask, however without Trask there's no breakdown. Interesting one.
Sooo...how is a phase defined anyway?
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@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@gt12
its one clearly defined rule though 2 phases. if it had happened to our advantage i would have thought that the other fans would be pissed offI wouldn't be. What's a phase defined as?
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I think the law about the TMO itself is very vague, and the application guidelines aren’t loading:
Law 6.15
A match organiser may appoint a television match official (TMO), who uses technological devices to clarify situations relating to:
The grounding of the ball in in-goal.
Touch or touch-in-goal in the act of grounding the ball or the ball being made dead.
Where there is doubt as to whether a kick at goal has been successful.
Where match officials believe an infringement may have occurred in the playing area leading to a try or preventing a try.
Foul play, including sanctions.
Any of the match officials, including the TMO, may recommend a review by the TMO. The reviews will take place in accordance with the TMO protocol which is available at http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/TMO_Protocol_Jan_18_EN.pdf -
found this on rugbyworld.com was rules explained for 6 nations 2020
Can the TMO intervene on any matter they like?
No, the TMO in rugby is basically restricted to two crucial areas:
- The scoring of a try, whether the grounding of the ball or the build-up to the try. Any infringement within the two phases prior to a try would render it illegal.
A referee can also use the TMO’s help to ascertain whether a kick went between the posts, but that’s quite a rare occurrence.
- Possible foul play. The TMO is free to communicate with the referee at any time if he sees something he suspects is foul play. Equally, the referee can ask the TMO to look at an incident, either while the game continues or after stopping play.
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whether to let an accidental offside go or not...just ask Poite about it*
- I know different circumstances, but still something to ponder given both went upstairs too
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Just finished watching the recording.
How the FUCK did we lose that?
Jeez we had to try so fucking hard to lose that it was ridiculous.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
That was a weird moment (highlighted by Marshall) when Laulala was allowed to get away with stopping Smith immediately after he took a quick tap.
Other refsblues fansmight have called that deliberate foul play, delaying the quick tapFIFY 😉
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So my uncle spoilt the result of this game for me - and for 75 minutes I thought he was just taking the piss.
I have no idea what to think about this.
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@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
found this on rugbyworld.com was rules explained for 6 nations 2020
Can the TMO intervene on any matter they like?
No, the TMO in rugby is basically restricted to two crucial areas:
- The scoring of a try, whether the grounding of the ball or the build-up to the try. Any infringement within the two phases prior to a try would render it illegal.
A referee can also use the TMO’s help to ascertain whether a kick went between the posts, but that’s quite a rare occurrence.
- Possible foul play. The TMO is free to communicate with the referee at any time if he sees something he suspects is foul play. Equally, the referee can ask the TMO to look at an incident, either while the game continues or after stopping play.
So I don't read that as saying they're only allowed to go back two phases. Which means if the guidelines are the same then he's well within his rights to disallow the try.
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@gt12 said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Law definitions state:
Phase of play: Scrum, lineout, ruck or maul.
Guess if there is a restriction on phases it comes down to if the Sowakula tackle was deemed a ruck 😊
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I’m not sure whether that is from the guidelines or not, but I quoted the law. So, I think there is enough flexibility for him to do pretty much whatever he pleases (as long as the decision is correct).
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So the whole game chat is a minute law discussion?
Cute
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@gt12 said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
There is no way we have enough depth for 8 strong teams, what a fucking dream
But we do, 8 teams would be at least the equal to the level of the 5 in Oz
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Just watched it again with volume up, and I reckon the AR must’ve seen something because when the refs came together after the DMac dotted down, they were pretty quick to refer it and at least one of them said so.
And I think someone mentioned it earlier that these types of situations often get overlooked. I don’t think they do. The refs are pretty good at picking it up.
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@Machpants said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@gt12 said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
There is no way we have enough depth for 8 strong teams, what a fucking dream
But we do, 8 teams would be at least the equal to the level of the 5 in Oz
We also don’t know how good a lot of the fringe players could get if they given several games in a row rather than filling in here and there
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
So the whole game chat is a minute law discussion?
Cute
Well it's not, but hey it was a pretty tight game. Why not discuss seemingly minute things.
Oh and...look at the scoreboard.
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What a comeback!
Smith is playing fucking well this year. Has to be the form player in NZ.Frizell and MMT were good too. I’ve said it before but it is crazy the depth coming through for that 6/8 spot that has been such an issue since Kaino left.
Boshier would be a good shot at the third choice 7
for the ABs. Not sure he is actually supporting his own body weight for some of those turnovers though.On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
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Just watched. My goodness. I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but there is something about seeing Aaron Mauger and Tony Brown celebrating at the expense of Gatland that warms my heart.
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
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@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
or the ref being over cautious and blowing a play up when he otherwise could have let it go and checked back.because it's rugby, it's not supposed to be perfect. If you miss it in real time, tough shit. Call it, or don't call it. Stop being half pregnant.
Also there is so much subjective stuff in a game of rugby, that a try could be rubbed out for a difference of opinion.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
or the ref being over cautious and blowing a play up when he otherwise could have let it go and checked back.because it's rugby, it's not supposed to be perfect. If you miss it in real time, tough shit. Call it, or don't call it. Stop being half pregnant.
Also there is so much subjective stuff in a game of rugby, that a try could be rubbed out for a difference of opinion.
Yeah sweet, no need for TMOs or touch judges then. Or the citing commissioner. If it doesn’t get dealt with then and there by the ref then get over it.
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
or the ref being over cautious and blowing a play up when he otherwise could have let it go and checked back.because it's rugby, it's not supposed to be perfect. If you miss it in real time, tough shit. Call it, or don't call it. Stop being half pregnant.
Also there is so much subjective stuff in a game of rugby, that a try could be rubbed out for a difference of opinion.
Yeah sweet, no need for TMOs or touch judges then. Or the citing commissioner. If it doesn’t get dealt with then and there by the ref then get over it.
sure, go to that extreme, knock yourself out
(i could do without the TMO though, it adds nothing)
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