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I never touched any of those things. I guess I was one of the two people who gave a shit about all those Say No To Drugs campaigns when I was a kid. <br><br>
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<p>I had a bit of difficulty teaching kids the message about drugs.</p>
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<p>Got a bit stumped when the more adventurous would ask "why do so many people, some really successful, take drugs and don't ruin their lives?"</p>
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<p>So the answer to that very relevant question has to be the truth - "Because drugs make you feel good. They can be exciting and they can make you feel like you're having a lot of fun"</p>
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<p>Then comes the "buts" about excessive consumption, warning signs, looking out for friends and family, getting help, realising before you need help, costs, criminality of it all, and the apparent hypocrisy that legal drugs, alcohol, tobacco, medicines etc also alter your body and life fundamentally like the "bad" drugs do.</p>
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<p>I never touched any of those things. I guess I was one of the two people who gave a shit about all those Say No To Drugs campaigns when I was a kid.<br><br>
Drugs are baad mmkay.</p>
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<p>My experience is the same as yours and TR's </p>
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<p>Never interested in the slightest in taking drugs. Always had a mentality that you had to be rather mentally weak to take them.It is just an odds game, you might be someone who doesn't have an addictive personality, or a physiological issue with drugs... or you might be, the odds always seemed rather skewed in the negative for me.</p>
<p>I have seen many people who lacked confidence, social skills or general happiness and they turned to drugs. Some were ok, some were most def not. Having worked in finance in London I had access to pretty much any drug I could have wanted... usually for free. I guess I saw it partly as a challenge not to need that sort of stuff to have an extra good time. I am pretty judgmental about people who do drugs.. and I dont care. I particularly hate Cocaine as it made some people int he office complete asshats to deal with on a Wednesday.</p>
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<p>Having said all that.... I still a fan of legalising many of these drugs. People need to be educated to the consequences and then let Darwins law take over,</p> -
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My experience is the same as yours and TR's <br><br>
Never interested in the slightest in taking drugs. Always had a mentality that you had to be rather mentally weak to take them.It is just an odds game, you might be someone who doesn't have an addictive personality, or a physiological issue with drugs... or you might be, the odds always seemed rather skewed in the negative for me.<br>
I have seen many people who lacked confidence, social skills or general happiness and they turned to drugs. Some were ok, some were most def not. Having worked in finance in London I had access to pretty much any drug I could have wanted... usually for free. I guess I saw it partly as a challenge not to need that sort of stuff to have an extra good time. I am pretty judgmental about people who do drugs.. and I dont care. I particularly hate Cocaine as it made some people int he office complete asshats to deal with on a Wednesday.<br><br>
Having said all that.... I still a fan of legalising many of these drugs. People need to be educated to the consequences and then let Darwins law take over,</p></blockquote>
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<p>Well risks are far more in your face re education or messages to the public about not partaking. In some cases the biggest disincentive to drug use is interacting with gangs and/or dodgy dealers. </p>
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<p>BSG mentioned two groups or behaviours that are interesting - one is people who have something going on with their confidence, social skills etc looking for a boost via drugs. imo that's markedly different to seeing drugs as <em>enhancing </em>what would have already been a good time. If you can't enjoy yourself without said drugs then you are already in the poo. Unfortunately that's where a lot of people end up.</p> -
<p>I tried marijuana mainly out of curiosity. It was cool, but I didn't need it long-term. I've only tried it once since I finished Uni and that was combined with most of a bottle of Bundaberg Rum on a camping trip with mates, which was my first boys night since the boy was born.</p>
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<p>Things did not end well THAT night, and I respectfully buried the contents of my stomach lining the next morning. </p>
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Agree with legalisation of some. Let people make their own decisions, but then they need to take responsibility for their actions - both in their choice of drug (how it affects them personally) and how their actions while under the influence, affect other people.<br><br>
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<p>Agree with legalisation of some. Let people make their own decisions, but then they need to take responsibility for their actions - both in their choice of drug (how it affects them personally) <strong><em>and how their actions while under the influence, affect other people.</em></strong><br><br>
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<p>No difference to alchohol. We have a legal & taxed drug that most people use sensibly & a small chunk go overboard on. Personally I'd rather deal with a group of young guys binge eating hash brownies than binge drinking beer. </p>
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<p>Personal responsibility & financial impact are the key. Legalise it, tax it, make the consequences of over doing it real. </p>
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Drugs and their possible legalisation is a bit like getting a tattoo. Bear with me...<br><br>
Getting a tattoo is a life changing event, there are risks involved, but it's legal. Society generally agrees that people are responsible enough to make their own decisions regarding what they ink themselves with.<br><br>
Now some tattoos look great on some people, others look like twats for the rest of their lives. While I would never get a tattoo, as I would fall into the twat camp, I wouldn't want to stop others getting one. And on the whole I wouldn't judge those who do.<br><br>
I say on the whole, because if some dingbatt has something indelibly misspelled on his own skin - then of course I will draw my own conclusions.<br><br>
Just because it's legal, people still need to make sensible decisions - and generally they do. It's the exception proves the rule.<br><br>
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<p>That's an interesting post Cookie, I don't see anything overly edgy about class C and even some class B usage. Class A isn't edgy but it can be a much grimier scene. Actually I reckon the edgiest fulla in the thread is TR - how he dodged the ganja up north I'll never know! (tips hat). </p>
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<p>In my younger days it was about fun and new experiences - but looking back it would have been much better if we'd been adults before cracking into said product. That's why I'd rather we legalised most drugs, tax it and focus on education and associated health issues. Ripping the economy out from the gangs would be just one benefit if we took that approach. Having to find a balance between education and 'encouraging' use (esp for young people) would be a better situation than our current one imo.</p>
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<p>Like I mentioned earlier if you are taking (any) drugs to hide or avoid something bad in your life it ain't likely to end well. But those tend to be the tragic cases that get attention while many recreational users who have successful careers, passions, families and friends are invisible.</p>
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<p>NTA you can enjoy some pain if you owe the headhunters for that last tinny too - they might just take your powerwall!!</p>
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<p>hmmmm . off the grid power??! Have you looked into hydroponics by any chance :whistle:</p> -
<p>I do have a couple of tats if that makes any difference haha</p>
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<p>NTA you can enjoy some pain if you owe the headhunters for that last tinny too - they might just take your powerwall!!</p>
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<p>hmmmm . off the grid power??! Have you looked into hydroponics by any chance :whistle:</p>
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<p>The maximum draw out is 3.3kW - not enough to run the kind of lights i'd need ;)</p> -
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<p>That's an interesting post Cookie, I don't see anything overly edgy about class C and even some class B usage. Class A isn't edgy but it can be a much grimier scene. Actually I reckon the edgiest fulla in the thread is TR - how he dodged the ganja up north I'll never know! (tips hat). </p>
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<p>In my younger days it was about fun and new experiences - but looking back it would have been much better if we'd been adults before cracking into said product. That's why I'd rather we legalised most drugs, tax it and focus on education and associated health issues. Ripping the economy out from the gangs would be just one benefit if we took that approach. Having to find a balance between education and 'encouraging' use (esp for young people) would be a better situation than our current one imo.</p>
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<p>Like I mentioned earlier if you are taking (any) drugs to hide or avoid something bad in your life it ain't likely to end well. But those tend to be the tragic cases that get attention while many recreational users who have successful careers, passions, families and friends are invisible.</p>
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<p>NTA you can enjoy some pain if you owe the headhunters for that last tinny too - they might just take your powerwall!!</p>
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<p>hmmmm . off the grid power??! Have you looked into hydroponics by any chance :whistle:</p>
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<p>Really sensible post.</p>
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<p>Even Ice isn't anywhere near as bad as the media portrays it.</p>
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<p>Has anyone on here read "chasing the scream" by Johann Hari?</p>
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<p>It's an excellent look at prohibtion and addiction throughout the world. He asks why many people use drugs without any problems, yet some can't?</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;">Anyway he comes to the conclusion that much of what we take as fact is not..... </span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;">"Drugs are not what we think they are. Drug addiction is not what we have been told it is. The drug war is not what our politicians have sold it as for one hundred years and counting"</span></p> -
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<p>Spend a shift or two with those on the frontline and see if you feel the same. Sure some people claim to lead normal lives on it, but when it goes bad it goes really bad. A lot of the most dispicable human behaviour I have seen can be attributed to ice.</p>
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<p>Well I know a few people who definitely living normal lives and who use it.</p>
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<p>Successful lawyers, Accountants and Doctors, with family etc.</p>
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<p>It's no different to speed, which has been around for a long time. </p>
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<p>Sure I've heard some awful stories about what people do on it....... but they are the long term addicts who may have had better access to treatment, rehab etc if it wasn't illegal. </p>