Super Rugby 2020
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Toddy I read that article yesterday. FFS, a few folk outraged on twitter shouldn't make a story. I thought it was cheeky but not without humour.
Oh sorry I didn't know you were a trained epidemiologist!
well played sir, well played.
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She is so precious its crazy, and that was a terrible outburst from her.
Back on stadia, I don't see they can't they have fans back in. Limited capacity to half, enforce distancing at turnstiles , food queues etc.
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
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@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
The issue is contact tracing and capacity I think. If there is an outbreak, it's bloody hard, and hard to keep people segregated.
I can't see decent crowds until we get to L1 or maybe lower.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
The issue is contact tracing and capacity I think. If there is an outbreak, it's bloody hard, and hard to keep people segregated.
I can't see decent crowds until we get to L1 or maybe lower.
I just don't see the risk-based analysis that supports this. You're not going to get an outbreak of 5,000, some people wouldn't come within 500m of others. Any "outbreak" would only spread amongst those in proximity, why would this be harder to contact trace than 100 people at a cafe or restaurant or shopping mall?
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@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
The issue is contact tracing and capacity I think. If there is an outbreak, it's bloody hard, and hard to keep people segregated.
I can't see decent crowds until we get to L1 or maybe lower.
I just don't see the risk-based analysis that supports this. You're not going to get an outbreak of 5,000, some people wouldn't come within 500m of others. Any "outbreak" would only spread amongst those in proximity, why would this be harder to contact trace than 100 people at a cafe or restaurant or shopping mall?
Because you don't know who went to the toilets one after another, or who was hanging out in the concourse. Then you have crowd management. People would have to leave the stadium one by one.
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
The issue is contact tracing and capacity I think. If there is an outbreak, it's bloody hard, and hard to keep people segregated.
I can't see decent crowds until we get to L1 or maybe lower.
I just don't see the risk-based analysis that supports this. You're not going to get an outbreak of 5,000, some people wouldn't come within 500m of others. Any "outbreak" would only spread amongst those in proximity, why would this be harder to contact trace than 100 people at a cafe or restaurant or shopping mall?
Because you don't know who went to the toilets one after another, or who was hanging out in the concourse. Then you have crowd management. People would have to leave the stadium one by one.
You don't know that anywhere, at a restaurant or a shopping mall or a playground!
And yes, people would need to exit and enter 2m apart . So what? Hardly an issue at a stadium designed to cater for 2-3x the capacity.
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@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
The issue is contact tracing and capacity I think. If there is an outbreak, it's bloody hard, and hard to keep people segregated.
I can't see decent crowds until we get to L1 or maybe lower.
I just don't see the risk-based analysis that supports this. You're not going to get an outbreak of 5,000, some people wouldn't come within 500m of others. Any "outbreak" would only spread amongst those in proximity, why would this be harder to contact trace than 100 people at a cafe or restaurant or shopping mall?
Because you don't know who went to the toilets one after another, or who was hanging out in the concourse. Then you have crowd management. People would have to leave the stadium one by one.
You don't know that anywhere, at a restaurant or a shopping mall or a playground!
And yes, people would need to exit and enter 2m apart . So what? Hardly an issue at a stadium designed to cater for 2-3x the capacity.
Have you ever been to a playground with 5000 people? Better to be safer than sorry. Any mistakes and we are back to level 3 or 4.
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
The issue is contact tracing and capacity I think. If there is an outbreak, it's bloody hard, and hard to keep people segregated.
I can't see decent crowds until we get to L1 or maybe lower.
I just don't see the risk-based analysis that supports this. You're not going to get an outbreak of 5,000, some people wouldn't come within 500m of others. Any "outbreak" would only spread amongst those in proximity, why would this be harder to contact trace than 100 people at a cafe or restaurant or shopping mall?
Because you don't know who went to the toilets one after another, or who was hanging out in the concourse. Then you have crowd management. People would have to leave the stadium one by one.
You don't know that anywhere, at a restaurant or a shopping mall or a playground!
And yes, people would need to exit and enter 2m apart . So what? Hardly an issue at a stadium designed to cater for 2-3x the capacity.
Have you ever been to a playground with 5000 people? Better to be safer than sorry. Any mistakes and we are back to level 3 or 4.
I have not, though I've also never been to a playground the size of a rugby stadium...
Look I don't particularly care if they let crowds in personally, I'm unlikely to be going myself given where I'll be located.
But I dislike it being ruled out because it's a lot of people and "better safe than sorry". How about some proper analysis? Like let's assume it takes 45mins to let people in, we can sell very 3rd seat to maintain spacing other than existing clusters booked togethrr, leave every 2nd row empty, we can maybe operate at 60% catering (or maybe that's even zero and we let families take their own stuff in for the time being). Perhaps anyone going has to agree to show ID and agree they can be contacted afterwards if necessary.
Maybe after all that analysis we realise a 30k stadium can only hold 500, maybe its 5000, or maybe its actually zero.
But let's do the bloody work to find out.
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@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
She is so precious its crazy, and that was a terrible outburst from her.
Back on stadia, I don't see they can't they have fans back in. Limited capacity to half, enforce distancing at turnstiles , food queues etc.
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
Just open the stadium back up. Have a few changes like
-Infrared temperature reading for anyone entering the stadium
-Maybe no food sales. Let people bring their own food
-Advice the vulnerable to stay at home. And anyone not feeling good
-Full refund for people who wake up not feeling good
-Advice wearing a mask but don't make it compulsoryThis flu or whatever it is doesn't seem too bad. No worse than others where the economy and life wasn't closed down
Life is about risks. Protect the vulnerable and sick but let the rest get on with life
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Who out of you lot is volunteering to record all the details of the attendees at these rugby games?
The crowd limitations will be due to the problems associated with contact tracing a large number of people, and that appears to be fairly standard around the world for mass gatherings.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:
@voodoo said in Super Rugby 2020:
5,000 people at a stadium that used to hold 12k is no more chance of being a cluster than 100ppl inside a restaurant
The issue is contact tracing and capacity I think. If there is an outbreak, it's bloody hard, and hard to keep people segregated.
I can't see decent crowds until we get to L1 or maybe lower.
Level 0? Or is that just normal? Or is L1 normal?
I mean we did go from pretty much normal to L3 to 4 in 5 days
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:
Who out of you lot is volunteering to record all the details of the attendees at these rugby games?
The crowd limitations will be due to the problems associated with contact tracing a large number of people, and that appears to be fairly standard around the world for mass gatherings.
Nor sure I understand this. There will be loads of people keen to work at these games, and I'm sure all of them would happily record whatever details we asked of them. I would absolutely "volunteer" for this
Re "contact tracing a large number of people", I come back again to the risk assessment. Has it actually been done? Is a stadium designed for 25k then allowed to hold [5]k in separate pods, actually at risk of a large breakout?
And even then, I understand that NZ Is now capable of contact tracing a few hundred people per day - new cases per day that is. Have we really decided that a stadium at 20% capacity is going to breach this somehow?
Again, maybe this work has been done, but I have seen zero evidence of it. If Eden Park can provide a case for holding 3k ppl, and Westpac Stadium a case for 6k ppl, then I see no reason not to assess those cases on a case-by-case basis, and go from there.
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The two games every weekend are likely to be played on Saturday night and late Sunday afternoon. With no crowds allowed, kick-off times will be decided by the broadcaster.
Sunday afternoon is attractive to broadcaster Sky as most people are at home and there are few distractions. Games in Australia have kicked off late on Sunday before and rated well.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12330144
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