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    These games will likely be played in empty stadiums so it would just be a TV product to satisfy the broadcasters and get that revenue.

    Play the RC at the end of the year, if possible. I'd prefer a full NPC competition with ABs too as that would maximise the number of players who could be involved. But I think NZR is reluctant to do that because they've put all their eggs into the SR basket.

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    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:

    But I think NZR is reluctant to do that because they've put all their eggs into the SR basket.

    That's the revenue generating machine I think, by comparison to NPC

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    @nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:

    But I think NZR is reluctant to do that because they've put all their eggs into the SR basket.

    That's the revenue generating machine I think, by comparison to NPC

    Yes it is, as that's the way NZR has designed domestic rugby. SR has the higher quality of players, and all the ABs. NPC has none of the latter group. It would be interesting to see how an NPC rated this year with all the ABs playing.

    But the majority of SR revenue comes from the SA broadcasting rights. NZ and Aust are so reliant on SA being involved.

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    SR appeals to a wider audience, with multi-national games, therefore generates the bigger sponsor dollars.

    NPC would appeal to die hards with ABs playing, but our internal comp simply wont generate the dollars required

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    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:

    But I think NZR is reluctant to do that because they've put all their eggs into the SR basket.

    That's the revenue generating machine I think, by comparison to NPC

    Yes it is, as that's the way NZR has designed domestic rugby. SR has the higher quality of players, and all the ABs. NPC has none of the latter group. It would be interesting to see how an NPC rated this year with all the ABs playing.

    But the majority of SR revenue comes from the SA broadcasting rights. NZ and Aust are so reliant on SA being involved.

    I am not sure how much of that is true anymore, a lot of the money comes from boradcasters outside of SANZAAR, and NZRs Sky deal is pretty substantial, sadly there are no real numbers out there, just educated guesses.

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    New Zealand's top players have agreed to have their incomes slashed as NZ Rugby counters the financial issues created by the Covid-19 pandemic.
    NZ Rugby and the New Zealand Rugby Players Association have agreed that professional players will have 50 percent of forecasted player payments frozen in response to Covid-19.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/121054259/nz-rugby-reveals-extent-of-pay-freeze-for-all-blacks-and-super-rugby-players

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    Sounds bloody complex, no easy sound bite percentages apart from the '50% of entire package frozen, possibly forever' amount. But hopefully it means those at the low end of the scale are having smaller reductions than the top end.

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    [link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/121060327/coronavirus-nz-rugby-reveals-sam-whitelock-could-play-for-crusaders-this-year. As I had previously posted Sam Whitelock back and ready to play for Crusaders or Canterbury

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    @Machpants yeah I guess a non playing player is really worth a similar value regardless of ability.

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    I'm in favour of flagging SR and going into an AB-laden NPC. Some of the player availability would be sexy, especially if the likes of S Whitelock and other NH refugees were available. And at a stretch, if a trans- Ta$man bubble were possible, why not chuck four Australian teams into it for kind of a halfway house competition? Then play a BC series in November/December.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/121238329/crusaders-coach-scott-robertson-says-10week-super-rugby-competition-possible

    "We will be able to play in Level One," Robertson told Will Greenwood's Podcast.
    
    "We will just play local games, derby games as we call it, so it will be 10 weeks home and away, and the first (team) - top of the table wins.
    
     "If we start June, July, August - we will get the Super in and we will go into the NPC and just finish later in the year," Robertson noted.
    
    "That's the information here at the moment but it all depends on what the government says."
    
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    What training would be allowed at level 2? 1m distancing is meant to be in effect so no contact training?

    Surely that means no start until 3 weeks after level 1?

    Level 1 has "No restrictions on gatherings". That seems like a long way away.

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    @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2020:

    What training would be allowed at level 2? 1m distancing is meant to be in effect so no contact training?

    Surely that means no start until 3 weeks after level 1?

    Level 1 has "No restrictions on gatherings". That seems like a long way away.

    We might see exemptions made in Level 2. like NRL in Australia once that starts up it will set a standard for other codes.

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    I still think they should include the derby games that have already been played, like the NRL will do, as that should save 2 weeks of playing and then allow a final to be played.

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    Just skimming through the number of derby matches

    Highlanders 1
    Hurricanes 2
    Blues, Chiefs & Crusaders 3

    I don't think it's about making the fairest rugby decision, it's about putting on the most number of matches

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    @Duluth I did realise that the Highlanders had played the least derby games but as one team would have to have a bye each week maybe it could still work.

    I take your point about maximising the number of games for Sky.

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    Maybe, it would get tough on the Highlanders though. A 7 week round robin with no breaks

    The Hurricanes would get one bye and everyone else two.

    [edit - there's more byes needed than than because of the odd number of teams]

    I'd rather think of it as a new season

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    @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Bovidae

    Maybe, it would get tough on the Highlanders though. A 7 week round robin with no breaks

    The Hurricanes would get one bye and everyone else two.

    [edit - there's more byes needed than than because of the odd number of teams]

    I'd rather think of it as a new season

    i would watch the shit out of that. Zero points to start. Home and away. Final. Go!

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    @mariner4life Robertson is saying no final will be played.

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