EOYT Revenue Sharing
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How cash strapped are the clubs? Traditionally the biggest obstacle to anything sensible in rationalising the professional calendar.
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@antipodean said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
How cash strapped are the clubs? Traditionally the biggest obstacle to anything sensible in rationalising the professional calendar.
Many are on the brink of financial ruin.
Bath, Newcastle and Worcester Warriors have furloughed their players:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/rugby-union/52141413 -
@sparky said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@antipodean said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
How cash strapped are the clubs? Traditionally the biggest obstacle to anything sensible in rationalising the professional calendar.
On the brink of financial ruin.
So hopefully they'll be more amenable to discussions than they've previously been. That goes for the SRU et al. who torpedoed the last attempt to a global calendar.
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@antipodean Several other clubs have slashed wages. A lot of former ABs playing in Europe might well now return to the NPC/Super Rugby.
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Some interesting quotes here from World Rugby boss Bill Beaumont calling on governments to bail out atruggling Rugby unions:
Bill Beaumont on fears that rugby faces financial apocalypse
EXCLUSIVE BY CHRIS FOY: Bill Beaumont has warned rugby's global community that 'everyone will suffer' in the fall-out from the coronavirus shutdown, called for unity and more state help.
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@antipodean said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
How cash strapped are the clubs? Traditionally the biggest obstacle to anything sensible in rationalising the professional calendar.
Problem is, UK at least, they have always been cash strapped. Then their Sugar Daddy just pumps more in. Only Exeter made a profit last year. Hopefully sugar Daddies will dry up as cash machines, CVC already own part of the Premiership - and that is a major problem. The piddling amount of money those clubs got for that will ahve already been pissed against the wall on over inflated wages.
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Filling the stadia post-Covid is not going to be a problem regardless of the opposition.
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@MiketheSnow said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
Filling the stadia post-Covid is not going to be a problem regardless of the opposition.
That is the issue that some of you guys don't quite see. The RFU, WRU et al can fill their stadia four times over. Every 6 N game at Twickenham is over subscribed fourfold. All the AIs apart from the PIs are the same. Regardless of the opposition (saving the PIs as above). It would take a long term stand with complete solidarity to try and force the issue and that could quite easily prove to be detrimental to SANZAR more than the NH unions and to be honest Aus and SA don't seem quite so bothered.
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@Catogrande said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@MiketheSnow said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
Filling the stadia post-Covid is not going to be a problem regardless of the opposition.
That is the issue that some of you guys don't quite see. The RFU, WRU et al can fill their stadia four times over. Every 6 N game at Twickenham is over subscribed fourfold. All the AIs apart from the PIs are the same. Regardless of the opposition (saving the PIs as above). It would take a long term stand with complete solidarity to try and force the issue and that could quite easily prove to be detrimental to SANZAR more than the NH unions and to be honest Aus and SA don't seem quite so bothered.
True for the most part, although Australia's botheredness may change as they go under. They are seriously on the brink.
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@sparky said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
The RFU ain't going to allow 50:50 revenue of an international at Twickenham. They have their own bills to pay.
Who says it has to be 50:50? England is always going to be a big draw for their home fans so there's no reason why that should result in an even split. However, they could surely charge a premium for tickets to AB matches and that's where maybe the ABs can get a slice of that premium or revenue sharing on an alternative basis, e.g. 65:35.
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I think given the lack of rugby, an early, extended EOYT with a reasonable revenue split would assist both hemispheres.
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NZR needs to focus on domestic rugby this season. It's very unlikely Scotland and Wales will tour in July so I wouldn't bother with the EOYT either. And that is assuming that international borders are open and travel is even possible later in the year. If some international rugby is possible play the RC, giving each team home and away games.
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@MajorRage said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
I think you guys are dreaming if you think the RFU, WRU are going to negotiate any sort of deal at this juncture.
They're going to have to, unless they get a southern tour in first, and they won't. The deal is you keep your own revenue, tour each way. They are going to reneg on that, so the doors are open.
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@Machpants said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@MajorRage said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
I think you guys are dreaming if you think the RFU, WRU are going to negotiate any sort of deal at this juncture.
They're going to have to, unless they get a southern tour in first, and they won't. The deal is you keep your own revenue, tour each way. They are going to reneg on that, so the doors are open.
Yes, aware of that. I think the attitude will be "fine, don't come".
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@MajorRage said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@Machpants said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@MajorRage said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
I think you guys are dreaming if you think the RFU, WRU are going to negotiate any sort of deal at this juncture.
They're going to have to, unless they get a southern tour in first, and they won't. The deal is you keep your own revenue, tour each way. They are going to reneg on that, so the doors are open.
Yes, aware of that. I think the attitude will be "fine, don't come".
So sharing revenue is worse than no revenue?
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@Machpants said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@MajorRage said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@Machpants said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
@MajorRage said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
I think you guys are dreaming if you think the RFU, WRU are going to negotiate any sort of deal at this juncture.
They're going to have to, unless they get a southern tour in first, and they won't. The deal is you keep your own revenue, tour each way. They are going to reneg on that, so the doors are open.
Yes, aware of that. I think the attitude will be "fine, don't come".
So sharing revenue is worse than no revenue?
Showing weakness and pushed around by NZ or Aus worse than no revenue, correct.
I imagine SA (world champs, Lions next year) and Japan (cos everybody LOVES Japan) are the only ones with bargaining chips. The fact SA & Japan are loaded just a co-incidence you see, old son.
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Undoubtedly there is a bit of a premium for the All Blacks or the Springboks in the UK, but less than most people in NZ or SA think.
As someone said above England can fill their ground four times over for 6N and almost all Autumn Internationals. A second Six Nations in 2020 would be extremely popular now. Also, individual All Blacks (Lomu, Carter and SBW besides) are hardly household names here. They can ride the Tube when they are in London. Compared to the Film stars, pop stars, tennis players, NFL stars and top footballers who appear in London regularly (in normal times), the All Blacks aren't always going to be the biggest show in town.
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@MajorRage said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
I think you guys are dreaming if you think the RFU, WRU are going to negotiate any sort of deal at this juncture.
No one's going to be negotiating anything right now (and I don't think anyone was suggesting that anyone would be). However, it's almost a certainty that there will be scope for some kind of negotiation at some point down the track
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@sparky said in EOYT Revenue Sharing:
Undoubtedly there is a bit of a premium for the All Blacks or the Springboks in the UK, but less than moat people in NZ or SA think.
As someone said above England can fill their ground four times over for 6N and almost all Autumn Internationals. A second Six Nations in 2020 would be extremely popular now. Also, individual All Blacks (Lomu, Carter and SBW besides) are hardly household names here. They can ride the Tube when they are in London. Compared to the Film stars, pop stars, tennis players, NFL stars and top footballers who appear in London regularly (in normal times), the All Blacks aren't always going to be the biggest show in town.
I don't disagree. My point is that there is still probably a premium, which I think might be a more realistic in terms of getting a slice of.
So, for example, if:
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x is what the RFU charges for a ticket for an England v Samoa match; and
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x+50% is what is charged for a ticket to an England v All Blacks match
then maybe the NZRU should try and negotiate a cut (let's say 35%) of that extra 50%?
It won't be the 50:50 that some people seem to think is the only option, but it is a good starting point and certainly better than the nothing we currently get. And, importantly, the RFU still get a massive payday.
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