NH club rugby
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@gt12 said in NH club rugby:
Probably. Hmm.
I assume that the RFU will do fuck all (assuming this doesn't get turned over on appeal), which will mean that these guys will be essentially unpunished - will they not still make the playoffs and be in to win again?
Well, they'll take into the account that they are "rugby guys" firstly I suppose ...
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@gt12 Salary cap might only apply in the Premiership as there probably is no cap in the Top 14. Thus come European Cup time teams would not be competing on equal footing if one has a cap and for the other it is open cheque book rugby dependant on the team owners deep pockets and how many francs they have in the bank.
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@MajorRage said in NH club rugby:
Holy shit, this is massive.
Saracens are the darlings of the UK rugby media! How the hell are they going to spin this!
Already seeing references to Saracens having the best player development academy - basically the pipeline for the future England team. So I think the spin is starting.
And while it is always de rigueur to have a pop at those at the top, it strikes me that Saracens actually have done a lot of good for English rugby over the recent past. They certainly seemed to have set the bar high for everyone else to chase.
I'm not close enough to it to know whether they are now overreaching and have reached the "we are the best" arrogant stage, maybe they have. I am sure though that jealousy will have a few clubs and their fans gleefully celebrating this development.But Nigel Wray is a smart bloke. I don't think this is the end of it all just yet.
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@Billy-Webb said in NH club rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH club rugby:
Holy shit, this is massive.
Saracens are the darlings of the UK rugby media! How the hell are they going to spin this!
Already seeing references to Saracens having the best player development academy - basically the pipeline for the future England team. So I think the spin is starting.
And while it is always de rigueur to have a pop at those at the top, it strikes me that Saracens actually have done a lot of good for English rugby over the recent past. They certainly seemed to have set the bar high for everyone else to chase.
I'm not close enough to it to know whether they are now overreaching and have reached the "we are the best" arrogant stage, maybe they have. I am sure though that jealousy will have a few clubs and their fans gleefully celebrating this development.But Nigel Wray is a smart bloke. I don't think this is the end of it all just yet.
You realise they're no longer Saffacens right?
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@Bones yes
I'm not defending them. They have Farrell.It is just genuinely a view. I think they innovated and raised the bar significantly and the more "traditional" powerful rugby clubs had to seriously up their games to compete. Which was to the betterment of English club rugby.
They may well be real twats now.
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@Billy-Webb said in NH club rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH club rugby:
Holy shit, this is massive.
Saracens are the darlings of the UK rugby media! How the hell are they going to spin this!
Already seeing references to Saracens having the best player development academy - basically the pipeline for the future England team. So I think the spin is starting.
And while it is always de rigueur to have a pop at those at the top, it strikes me that Saracens actually have done a lot of good for English rugby over the recent past. They certainly seemed to have set the bar high for everyone else to chase.
I'm not close enough to it to know whether they are now overreaching and have reached the "we are the best" arrogant stage, maybe they have. I am sure though that jealousy will have a few clubs and their fans gleefully celebrating this development.But Nigel Wray is a smart bloke. I don't think this is the end of it all just yet.
I have zero inside knowledge as I pay little to no attention to UK club rugby, but I'll say this for the last few years
Saracens: Building something special, taking to next level, proper grass roots investing, results on the back of that
Media: Saracens could be the All Blacks, Saracens are amazing, Club >>>> Country,
Rest of UK Clubs: No way those fuckers are under the salary cap. No way. -
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Your point is correct though the ECC or whatever they call the Heineken these days doesn't have some sort of salary cap as far as I am aware. There are rules about player eligibility if they transfer and what not but nothing about the club's player salarys.
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@gt12 said in NH club rugby:
So, based on our discussion so far, they'll probably not get any real punishment.
I'll bet they still make the playoffs this year.
Given that they will take this on appeal / review, I'd say you are correct gt12
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Whatever the outcome this is a bad situation for English rugby and possibly the club game in the NH as a whole. It’s like drugs in cycling, you just wonder “who else”?
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Unless you're a Times subscriber, the Walrus is an irrelevance.
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@gt12 said in NH club rugby:
So, based on our discussion so far, they'll probably not get any real punishment.
I'll bet they still make the playoffs this year.
They've receive the punishment, as recommended by an independant panel. It will be a very hard sell to stop it, mitigate maybe. Esp hard sell when the other clubs want them taken down a peg or two
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
Whatever the outcome this is a bad situation for English rugby and possibly the club game in the NH as a whole. It’s like drugs in cycling, you just wonder “who else”?
I'd go with the ones making big name signings.
