RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
They are a shadow of that side. They had recently beaten us on a cold narrow Soldier Field, the win at home (their first after over 100 years of trying) was their pinnacle. Since then their coach has announced he will stand down after the cup, they have been in poor form and lost to Japan, now they will face us in hot humid conditions at a tourney where so far assertive ball playing teams have fared well. I'm not saying they can't or won't win, but they will find it much harder to win at a RWC where their expectations are high, against our boys who Shag has been bringing along for this final challenge of an illustrious career, who knows how to win the cup
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
They are a shadow of that side. They had recently beaten us on a cold narrow Soldier Field, the win at home (their first after over 100 years of trying) was their pinnacle. Since then their coach has announced he will stand down after the cup, they have been in poor form and lost to Japan, now they will face us in hot humid conditions at a tourney where so far assertive ball playing teams have fared well. I'm not saying they can't or won't win, but they will find it much harder to win at a RWC where their expectations are high, against our boys who Shag has been bringing along for this final challenge of an illustrious career, who knows how to win the cup
My only question after reading that is... would you have any Irishmen in a combined XV?
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@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
They are a shadow of that side. They had recently beaten us on a cold narrow Soldier Field, the win at home (their first after over 100 years of trying) was their pinnacle. Since then their coach has announced he will stand down after the cup, they have been in poor form and lost to Japan, now they will face us in hot humid conditions at a tourney where so far assertive ball playing teams have fared well. I'm not saying they can't or won't win, but they will find it much harder to win at a RWC where their expectations are high, against our boys who Shag has been bringing along for this final challenge of an illustrious career, who knows how to win the cup
My only question after reading that is... would you have any Irishmen in a combined XV?
I don't know enough about them individually to say with any authority. But probably not many, if any. We have been experimenting for some time and I feel like we are ready to shock the world and bring out the dry powder
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
They are a shadow of that side. They had recently beaten us on a cold narrow Soldier Field, the win at home (their first after over 100 years of trying) was their pinnacle. Since then their coach has announced he will stand down after the cup, they have been in poor form and lost to Japan, now they will face us in hot humid conditions at a tourney where so far assertive ball playing teams have fared well. I'm not saying they can't or won't win, but they will find it much harder to win at a RWC where their expectations are high, against our boys who Shag has been bringing along for this final challenge of an illustrious career, who knows how to win the cup
My only question after reading that is... would you have any Irishmen in a combined XV?
I don't know enough about them individually to say with any authority. But probably not many, if any. We have been experimenting for some time and I feel like we are ready to shock the world and bring out the dry powder
I only say that because it sounds like the same things said about Australia in 2003. The team is past it and shown few signs of life in the past twelve months.
They can't win the tournament, but they can play their final next week and knock out the ABs.
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
They are a shadow of that side. They had recently beaten us on a cold narrow Soldier Field, the win at home (their first after over 100 years of trying) was their pinnacle. Since then their coach has announced he will stand down after the cup, they have been in poor form and lost to Japan, now they will face us in hot humid conditions at a tourney where so far assertive ball playing teams have fared well. I'm not saying they can't or won't win, but they will find it much harder to win at a RWC where their expectations are high, against our boys who Shag has been bringing along for this final challenge of an illustrious career, who knows how to win the cup
My only question after reading that is... would you have any Irishmen in a combined XV?
I don't know enough about them individually to say with any authority. But probably not many, if any. We have been experimenting for some time and I feel like we are ready to shock the world and bring out the dry powder
Without going past the front row:
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@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
They are a shadow of that side. They had recently beaten us on a cold narrow Soldier Field, the win at home (their first after over 100 years of trying) was their pinnacle. Since then their coach has announced he will stand down after the cup, they have been in poor form and lost to Japan, now they will face us in hot humid conditions at a tourney where so far assertive ball playing teams have fared well. I'm not saying they can't or won't win, but they will find it much harder to win at a RWC where their expectations are high, against our boys who Shag has been bringing along for this final challenge of an illustrious career, who knows how to win the cup
My only question after reading that is... would you have any Irishmen in a combined XV?
I don't know enough about them individually to say with any authority. But probably not many, if any. We have been experimenting for some time and I feel like we are ready to shock the world and bring out the dry powder
I only say that because it sounds like the same things said about Australia in 2003. The team is past it and shown few signs of life in the past twelve months.
They can't win the tournament, but they can play their final next week and knock out the ABs.
When was the last time Ireland made the Semifinals? They have shown they can beat us. They have also worn the weight of expectations heavily before. They were fancied to beat Wales in the 2011 QF and got convincingly shut out
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@akan004 said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan When was the last time Japan made the quarters? History means very little.
Ireland will win if our forwards are not fully engaged, if our kick return game is poor and if we have a ref who bins our players or allows them to play offside and slow our ruck ball down illegally. If our forwards get parity or better, if we are allowed to play rugby without the Irish slowing our game right down, we will win well
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Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Ireland will win if our forwards are not fully engaged, if our kick return game is poor and if we have a ref who bins our players or allows them to play offside and slow our ruck ball down illegally.
So essentially the Lions recipe. We wait on the referee appointments in the next 24 hours, unless it's Owens it is hard to see it being anyone other than Barnes or a Frenchman so all those things are absolutely in play.
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Good odds available on this match.
Ireland 5/1 to win is worth a scoot.
Overall to win the thing -
Japan - 48/1
France - 42/1
Australia - 28/1
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@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
is hard to see it being anyone other than Barnes or a Frenchman
I'd be happy with Barnes.
He's developed into a pretty decent Ref these days, is consistent and communicates well.
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So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
We'll win the rugby but only just (under 7 points). Ireland will win the whinging convincingly.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
A one point win will do.
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
This is it.
Also, if they keep us to 9 points again, they deserve to win.
Frame it from an Irish perspective - they need parity or dominance up front, and a ref who listens and rules the way they want to play. I reckon our tight 5 will show up fired up and get the job done.
can't wait!
