RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D)
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
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@junior said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
i expected it to get looked at, and i was really looking forward to the outcome. Because effectively AWJ went headfirst at the line, and got lit up. The exact scenario often brought up in these discussions.
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@mariner4life maybe thats why they didnt have a look at it, Gosper was sitting alongside Skeeny and pulled the plug on his mic!
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@mariner4life said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@junior said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
i expected it to get looked at, and i was really looking forward to the outcome. Because effectively AWJ went headfirst at the line, and got lit up. The exact scenario often brought up in these discussions.
I'd love to hear @MiketheSnow's take of what the Fijian 5 should have done in that situation...
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@Duluth said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
I think the images on this page cover it:
I believe he should have made a half arsed effort to retreat until his winger ran past. Advancing immediately was the problem
Thanks
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68th or so, minute. Fiji on attack and 5 points down. Volavola puts in that kick with the wierd bounce, Fiji regather but knock it on. Advantage and a welsh player gets the ball and is expertly tackled by Fijian from a standing start - great lunge, being held a bit too.
Oh well, back for the scrum to Wales
No, no. Faeces desides that the fijian tackler was on the ground and tackling from there. Relieving penalty Wales - like feck he was!
it was a fine piece of desperation rugby.
Now getting calls wrong is a thing that will happen to refs, BUT, what a time to bring out a "playing rugby off your feet" call. And in circumstances where it was clear it was a dive from standing upright tackle. Not totally sure Faeces? then stick with what happened. Defensive scrum Wales
Does a penalty always overrule a knock on advantage?
Is it only if it's the same team that transgresses?
Is their a clear hiearchy of when to come back for a scrum or does the penalty offence trump it everytime?
I have great difficulty explaining the game to non rugby people these days.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@junior said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
Thought YC for the Fijian for off side was rough.
I know wrong end of the field, repeated penalties, but 10 mins later a welshman did the same thing mid field and wasnt pulled up at all.
If you gonna ping for off side, you ping them all, don't pick and choose which to blow.
Has there been any official word on the TMO scope, as it appears the TMO is free to just offer up stuff when he feels like it, rather than previously they had to be asked to check by ref.
Man those Fijians are great to watch though, a bit more smarts and discipline and they would be a real force.
More about field position and repeated warnings from the ref.
Surprised they didn't have a look at the tackle by Fiji 5 on AWJ which rang his bell.
Looked a clear shoulder to the head to me.
Yeah I couldn't see whether that was what actually happened, but force of the contact suggested to me that "Skeeny" would have a look. Any hard contact these days - no matter how legitimate - usually gets a second look.
i expected it to get looked at, and i was really looking forward to the outcome. Because effectively AWJ went headfirst at the line, and got lit up. The exact scenario often brought up in these discussions.
In that situation no attacker is going to charge for the line with the ball in two hands ahead of his head. The ball is too vulnerable and likely to be knocked out of the attacker's grasp.
So the go to move for the attacker is to tuck the ball between hand and chest and advance towards the goaline shoulder and head first. As AWJ did.
The thing that's often lost in these type of discussions is this is NOT an illegal (is that the right word?) move.
World Rugby for the moment thinks this is fine.
What they don't think is fine and which is being scrutinised and penalised is the defender - in his attempt to thwart the attacker - hitting the attacker with arm, shoulder or head in the attacker's neck and head area.
You may not like it. You may not agree with it. It may well be ammended after the WC.
But for now, the onus is on the defender.
And if he gets it wrong, he's going to get penalised. And possibly carded.
In this instance the defender could have chosen
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Not to make the tackle. AWJ was going nowhere - too many bodies in his path
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Taken AWJ's shoulder and head in his midriff and wrapped him ball and all. If AWJ had crossed the plane of the goaline then the defender would be ideally placed to prevent the ball from being grounded.
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@Siam said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
68th or so, minute. Fiji on attack and 5 points down. Volavola puts in that kick with the wierd bounce, Fiji regather but knock it on. Advantage and a welsh player gets the ball and is expertly tackled by Fijian from a standing start - great lunge, being held a bit too.
Oh well, back for the scrum to Wales
No, no. Faeces desides that the fijian tackler was on the ground and tackling from there. Relieving penalty Wales - like feck he was!
it was a fine piece of desperation rugby.
Now getting calls wrong is a thing that will happen to refs, BUT, what a time to bring out a "playing rugby off your feet" call. And in circumstances where it was clear it was a dive from standing upright tackle. Not totally sure Faeces? then stick with what happened. Defensive scrum Wales
Does a penalty always overrule a knock on advantage?
Is it only if it's the same team that transgresses?
Is their a clear hiearchy of when to come back for a scrum or does the penalty offence trump it everytime?
I have great difficulty explaining the game to non rugby people these days.
The bolded bit, it was hardly being held a bit - he was well and truly being held and should have been penalised (or at the very least gone back for the Welsh scrum).
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@mariner4life maybe thats why they didnt have a look at it, Gosper was sitting alongside Skeeny and pulled the plug on his mic!
I think Gosper's the one telling Skeeny to go hard ... he keeps winning employee of the week, so why stop?
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@nzzp said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
@NTA said in RWC: Wales v Fiji (Pool D):
If Skeeny didn't see it, it didn't happen
there's got to be a Skeen meme mashup with the grassy knoll somewhere. If he didn't see the second shooter, it didn't exist
The FBI just never looked at enough angles.
clear and obvious second shooter
