RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@No-Quarter I'm not sure the bled results tell us much about whether either the boks or abs are going to be able to physically impose themselves on Sat. My guess is that they'll be about evenly matched up front - the way they have been over the last 4 or so games.
The bigger question is whether the ABs can spring the rush defence. And if they can, can the boks scrape together enough points to stay in touch.
And on that question bled 2 was all sorts of worrying signs for the boks (even if aus' defence is not as destructive as the boks.) And I've seen very little since Wellington to suggest that the boks of 2019 are going to unveil a sharper cutting edge the way that the 2007 boks did.
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What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
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@Frank TBH, it will not surprise me if both SB & Crotty start...
SB with Whitelock woudl not be a surprise, nor Crotty to start at 12, OR 13
I think the ABs have been working on a plan to negate the effectiveness of the Rush defence, but I think it is/was a work in progress, given Aus do not employ it, and SA probably dont do it as well as the NH teams either.
That said, I think they are, like always timing things perfectly, while losing first up wont be ideal (thus needing to make another RWC 1st to win it) I think the fine tuning they are doing and the 'learnings' (buzz word) form the next few weeks will set them up perfectly for the run in.
And lets be honest, it is those last 3 weeks when the real work begins anyway, and squad depths get tested.
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@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out. -
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
I always feel that if we try to play it wide too early, and try too many low percentage plays we will struggle. We have to win the battle up front and the breakdown, just like always, and play a little more direct to draw them in
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Alright boys, I'm here for the shit talking!
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@rustycruiser said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Alright boys, I'm here for the shit talking!
Welcome back and bring it on.
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So the predicted rain deluge....maybe favor the Boks by slowing down the All Blacks speed and better handling in your backs? FAF is going to be box kicking the ball back to you blokes all day long (who needs 10 man rugby when you can play 9 man rugby!)
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@rustycruiser The latest weather predictions don't look like a rain deluge.
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@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide. -
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.Yeah I am inclined to agree I don't think kicking away possession in a WC is a good tactic either just those are the 2 main ways of combating the rush defence.
Mo'unga going flat to the Gain line putting runners through gaps from angles appeals to me because if you break the rush defence on an angle coming back its very hard to defend at the back not much cover.I think they may play SBW to use this tactic. -
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
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@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
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@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
it actually went OK in the second test too -- a marginal loss to an 'interesting' penalty with 14 men.
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@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
That's our DRY, DRY powder.
it actually went OK in the second test too -- a marginal loss to an 'interesting' penalty with 14 men.
After SOB dodged yellow/red for taking Naholo out.
