AB RWC squad
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@reprobate said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@nzzp has to be Ioane. Sure he's nowhere near the other two, but he is miles better than jordie, TJ, or crotty. we have an experienced halfback to take the pressure off him, who he has played a lot with. He's played some very good super games there this season, as opposed to our other supposed back-ups.
So who would you leave at home to take him?
Look, 10 is a risk fo rus, but we've already lost one, to lose two would be unlucky, and three positively reckless. Against the minnows, JB or Crotty will slot in there (according to Hansen). I just dont' know that having an uncapped 10 in the squad or on the bench is worth it
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@nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@reprobate said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@nzzp has to be Ioane. Sure he's nowhere near the other two, but he is miles better than jordie, TJ, or crotty. we have an experienced halfback to take the pressure off him, who he has played a lot with. He's played some very good super games there this season, as opposed to our other supposed back-ups.
So who would you leave at home to take him?
Look, 10 is a risk fo rus, but we've already lost one, to lose two would be unlucky, and three positively reckless. Against the minnows, JB or Crotty will slot in there (according to Hansen). I just dont' know that having an uncapped 10 in the squad or on the bench is worth it
Jordie will go fine at 10 against the minnows, and there's a very good argument for using Jordie or Crotty over Ioane in a crunch match anyway when experience is going to be a key factor. I'm pretty comfortable with the decision.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@reprobate said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
@nzzp has to be Ioane. Sure he's nowhere near the other two, but he is miles better than jordie, TJ, or crotty. we have an experienced halfback to take the pressure off him, who he has played a lot with. He's played some very good super games there this season, as opposed to our other supposed back-ups.
So who would you leave at home to take him?
Look, 10 is a risk fo rus, but we've already lost one, to lose two would be unlucky, and three positively reckless. Against the minnows, JB or Crotty will slot in there (according to Hansen). I just dont' know that having an uncapped 10 in the squad or on the bench is worth it
Jordie will go fine at 10 against the minnows, and there's a very good argument for using Jordie or Crotty over Ioane in a crunch match anyway when experience is going to be a key factor. I'm pretty comfortable with the decision.
don't care about the minnows, i could play there against them for all it matters. jordie or crotty or tj at 10 in a crunch match would be awful.
sopo'aga on the other hand went alright on debut, playing in his correct position that he plays all the time, with his regular halfback.... we have too many outside backs, when we have loads of cover there - we could have rieko, smith, reece, jordie, bridge all get injured (5!) and we could still play sbw and alb. who have played there before, and would be better options there than crotty/tj/jordie would be at 10.
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@Jailbreak7 said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
Absolutely stoked for Jacobson. A true bolter. He is a good'un and a keeper. Reckon he will step into regular blindside boots next season.
Selectors have obviouslly rewarded mobility, attitude, hunger and youth over seniority, experience and waning impact, which I support 100 per cent. \Bloody good choices. Excellent for Moli, Jacobsnon, Reece , Bridge etc,
I'm also pleased for Todd, - Mr Reliable who has been rewarded for his committment,
Just one thing, As a Chiefs supprter, pleased for Weber, but can;t help wondering whether it may have been better to take J Ioane as a spare 1st five,Because Ben Smith played nine in England for a year as an amateur about 13 years ago....??
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12263276
Good on him for being true to himself
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I am really surprised that they did not take Josh Ioane, I think really came down to taking Josh or taking Reiko and they probably flinched at leaving both Reiko and Franks. Not sure how they can roll the dice with even one of Barret/Mounga being possibly hurt mid week, going into knockout stages when no one in the squad has even significant Super experience. Crotty is kind of laughable, most of the time I see him kick from hand it’s embarrassingly bad. I think if any outside back is hurt Ioane is the first call.
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@DMX said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:
I am really surprised that they did not take Josh Ioane, I think really came down to taking Josh or taking Reiko and they probably flinched at leaving both Reiko and Franks. Not sure how they can roll the dice with even one of Barret/Mounga being possibly hurt mid week, going into knockout stages when no one in the squad has even significant Super experience. Crotty is kind of laughable, most of the time I see him kick from hand it’s embarrassingly bad. I think if any outside back is hurt Ioane is the first call.
Crotty’s kicking from 2nd 5 is fine. But if you look at the gameplan we have run for quite a few years now we know that our 1st 5 and fullback (no matter who has been there) share the kicking duties from 1st receiver. Look back to the Cruden and Dagg days. Barrett and Bender.
I think a 3rd 1st 5 is a luxury particularly when Ioane doesn’t have experience and doesn’t play other positions.
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Don’t disagree that Crotty when healthy does not need to kick but when I see his wobbly kicks nothing suggests he could step into the 10 role in a knockout test match. I think we are indulging in luxury having so many outside backs. Its already scary that the our 3rd ranked 10 is an uncapped rookie but wouldn’t you want him soaking in as much as possible right up to the final. If just one of the 10s is injured at any point in the tournament it will be a massive disruption.
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Maybe change the thread title....
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We could see something like:
Game 1 Springboks
10. R. Mo’unga 15. B. Barrett 23. J. BarrettGame 2 Canada
10. B. Barrett 15. B. Smith 23. J. BarrettGame 3 Namibia
10. R. Mo’unga 15. J. Barrett 23. B. SmithGame 4 Italy
10. B. Barrett 15. B. Smith 22. R. Mo’ungaQF - as per Boks
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We are in a bit of a flap about our 3rd 10 being a rookie when our starter still has his test match training wheels on.
I am shocked that JBarrett is an option. In my eyes the main hole in his game is he often looks rushed when he is trying to do things, because he lacks the "time" that really good players have. He gets charged down a fair bit too. That's not ideal for a test match 10.
Ryan Crotty is a solid player with a good footy head on his shoulders. And he plays next to a 10. But that does not a 10 make.
I think the selectors are pretty much hoping we stay injury free in that spot (whereas in the midfield and the outside backs we're overloaded. An injury might be a blessing)
I've said it before on this thread, but when you only take two 10s, and one of those 10s is also your starting fullback, that's an enormous risk. That's why i can see the value in Matt Todd as a "3rd" openside, because both the 2 guys in front of him are starting players.
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@mariner4life so are you saying Matt Todd could play 10 too?
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@mariner4life Would you rather have only 2 1st 5s, or 2 halfbacks in your squad? I'd say the latter is more of a risk because they have their hands on the ball more often, and that is what Cheika has done.
There is an article today quoting Fox and Hansen about enlarging the squad to 32 or 33 players (2 in each position plus an extra 2 and 9). While teams still might not follow that model it does allow greater flexibility.
