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Winger

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A triangle doesnt tell a story. 
My preferred flag tells a story about an emblem that is inherently New Zealand. It says to me New Zealand is proud of our environment as represented by that emblem. And that we live in a part of the world where we can view the Southern Cross. 
I like it. It is not bland. It is not boring. 
The teiangle does not tell anyone anything about New Zeaand. It says "triangle". 
And yes Quo Vardis I know nothing about vexillology. But i know triangle is the least expressive option and moves me not one tiny bit.
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The blue and black fern?
 
We already have a fern flag. And it will be still used at sporting events etc
 
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Winger

And for the manly man
 
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Kirwan

Look, I like the design but the utter wankery online about the stories and meaning of Red Peak are puke inducing.

booboo

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The blue and black fern? 
We already have a fern flag. And it will be still used at sporting events etc 
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So? 
I like that flag. 
Your fern flag doesn't have the Southern cross.

jegga

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Yeah, nah.

Donsteppa

If Air NZ ever adopts that livery, this plane geek will be highly unimpressed...

jegga

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If Air NZ ever adopts that livery, this plane geek will be highly unimpressed...
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As a plane geek have you ever seen these on a RNZAF plane? They were briefly there postwar, 
 
<img src="http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/images/main/misc/FERN.JPG" alt="FERN.JPG">

Hooroo

As an ex RNZAFer, I don't recall that Roundel. I shall check Ex RNZAF facebook to confirm

Hooroo

Confirmed!
 
It used to have a fern in the Roundel but it was constantly confused with a feather so they changed it to a Kiwi

dogmeat

My Uncle was a Wing Commander - I remember visiting him at both Hobbie and Te Rapa (where he was CO0 in the 60's and they had the silver fern roundel. I think it was discontinued because it looked like a white feather. It was decided that a flightless bird would be more appropriate for the NZ Air Force

Hooroo

jegga

What is that? An avenger?

antipodean

Yep, Grumman Avenger.

jegga

We had a few variations of the roundel, not sure why. The one on the corsair came with either a red or blue centre, the aussies had a few different ones too.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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<img src="http://www.uswarplanes.net/images/corsair-03.jpg" alt="corsair-03.jpg">
 
<img src="http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/NZ-Mustang/NAA_Mustang_RNZAF_NZ2410.jpg" alt="NAA_Mustang_RNZAF_NZ2410.jpg">

Crucial

The NZ Warbirds Beaver has the fern roundel although there is debate on whether it was painted correctly <img src="http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/07/73a6762636ce8f914666030aa572e866.jpg" alt="73a6762636ce8f914666030aa572e866.jpg">

jegga

I saw that photo last night when I was looking for the roundel and the debate around it .The city of auckland tag on the back is pretty cool. I wonder how common that sort of thing was?

Crucial

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I saw that photo last night when I was looking for the roundel and the debate around it .The city of auckland tag on the back is pretty cool. I wonder how common that sort of thing was?
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I think most aircraft had names in those days. Having a look for old photos for the Beaver, it was painted to represent NZ6001 which was in service for the NZRAF in Antarctica. At some stage between 1956 and 1959 the Silverfern was added as early photos show a plain roundel. They rebadged it NZ6010 in 59 as it was discovered that the tag had also been used elsewhere.
This photo was allegedly taken just before the change and you can clearly see the fern as we would expect. It also looks like it was on a black background (could just be the photo)
 
<img src="http://www.dhc-2.com/911_NZ6001_unk_Wigram_061959_Robin A Walker Collection_565.jpg" alt="911_NZ6001_unk_Wigram_061959_Robin%20A%2">
 
The Warbirds Beaver also had the fern added after the original paint job and I suspect that it is correctly orientated on the port side. I will try and find out about it from from brother in law who is a shareholder and regularly flies it.

dogmeat

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While the roundel on the RNZAF ensign has not changed since its introduction in 1939, a number of versions of the roundel have been used on RNZAF aircraft. The RAF roundel was used until 1942. Between 1942 and 1945 it was primarily blue/white/blue, occasionally with white side-bands outlined in blue. Having reverted back to the RAF roundel in 1946, it remained unchanged when the RAF enlarged the red disc on its roundel the following year.
In January 1957 the Air Board announced that it had developed a new national emblem â€“ a white fern would be placed on the central red of the RNZAF roundel. Because of remarks that this looked like a white feather, a symbol of cowardice, the colour was changed to silver, but on aircraft fuselage this looked like peeling paint. While some called for the fern to be replaced by a kiwi, others remarked that a flightless bird could hardly be an appropriate emblem for an air force. But support for the kiwi won out â€“ a red kiwi was formally adopted in place of the red spot in September 1970. This roundel is still in use today, but since the 1980s it has appeared on aircraft as a red kiwi on a blue disc, or a black circle around a black kiwi, to assist in camouflage.
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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/royal-new-zealand-air-force-ensign'>http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/royal-new-zealand-air-force-ensign</a>

Winger

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/72931739/Red-Peak-response-tepid-as-Wellington-council-unfurls-flag-options'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/72931739/Red-Peak-response-tepid-as-Wellington-council-unfurls-flag-options</a>

Red Peak response tepid as Wellington council unfurls flag options

Good on Wellington. Hopefully most towns and cities now do likewise.

Paekakboyz

From flags and vexillology to roundels and... plane buffs. Few gems in this thread.
 
Damn those Avengers are bad ass.

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