Bledisloe #1
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:
can we afford to have three smallish and relatively weak defenders in Smith, Barrett and Mo'unga?
I wouldn't put BB down as a relatively weak defender. He's actually pretty solid and exceptional at cover defence.
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@Jaguares4real Defence was good in that game. I think the 2nd half performance in Wellington was the best performance this year, but they were up against a much more one dimensional team last weekend than they faced tonight.
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@Victor-Meldrew Fair point.
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@Chris-B said in Bledisloe #1:
@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Duluth If he goes to the RWC it is as a fullback who can play midfield in an emergency. Doesn't have the gas now to play Wing at International level.
Don't think he should be anywhere near the midfield except in dire emergency.
I'm pretty sure he started 7 games on the right wing for the ABs last year and only 5 at fullback, so he might not be a completely spent force on the wing.
Didn’t DMac start a few games at fullback last year?
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
There has been more than a whiff of complacency from AB supporters/media
Signs have been there Last 6-8 serious Test matches
I'll also add: Boy do ABs miss Damien McKenzieEven more recently you have NZ Super Rugby sides look distinctly average Saders & Canes were on a different level to their local SR rivals
The bad news is the ABs weaknesses will be exacerbated in 2020 when there's no BBBR Whitelock Read Crotty Franks Bender
2019 RWC is a open Comp It won't be a cakewalk for ABs as it was in 2011 + 2015 Tournaments
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@Jaguares4real 2011 was a cakewalk? Last time I checked we won the final by 1 point and we lost what was it 9 or 10 1st 5’s
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe #1:
@ACT-Crusader next week has the Bledisloe and a long record at EP on the line...
After shipping 47 points, I am very pessimistic about Eden Park next week. The Aussies with their tails up and fired up as hell. The ABs all over the shop, with so much to fix and stinking of complacency. The coaches using discipline as an excuse when they need to have a hard state in the mirror to realise what has gone wrong. Looks to be like the Wallabies will have an appointment with Lord Bledisloe next Saturday.
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@Jaguares4real said in Bledisloe #1:
@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
I would argue that we have been under-reacting for the past year as the coaches have served up dross in game after game. The side really hasn't been the same since Wayne Smith left.
Today's performance was worse than dross. It's where arrogance leads you. Mickey Mouse Hansen should be ashamed.
There has been more than a whiff of complacency from AB supporters/media
Signs have been there Last 6-8 serious Test matches
I'll also add: Boy do ABs miss Damien McKenzieEven more recently you have NZ Super Rugby sides look distinctly average Saders & Canes were on a different level to their local SR rivals
The bad news is the ABs weaknesses will be exacerbated in 2020 when there's no BBBR Whitelock Read Crotty Franks Bender
2019 RWC is a open Comp It won't be a cakewalk for ABs as it was in 2011 + 2015 Tournaments
Cakewalk?
2011 was 8-7. And we wouldn't have even made the semi's in 2015 without some Ma'a magic in the last 10 minutes
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
After shipping 47 points, I am very pessimistic about Eden Park next week. The Aussies with their tails up and fired up as hell.
I think we'll be fine
Even if we pick the same side (minus the overrated idiot in the second row), I think this fluffy style still plays well against the Aussies.
I'm worried about the more attritional sides that we might come up against in the RWC.Hopefully we make changes and win. Not making changes and winning is not a good thing in the long run
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Trying to remember All Black performances that were as bad as tonight's:
Wellington 93 against the Lions
Christchurch 94 against France.
Christchurch 98 against Oz.
Sydney 99 against Oz.
Twickenham 99 against the Boks
Sydney 08 against Oz.
Chicago 16 against Ireland.Perth 19 right up there for the ABs looking flat.
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe #1:
@ACT-Crusader next week has the Bledisloe and a long record at EP on the line...
After shipping 47 points, I am very pessimistic about Eden Park next week. The Aussies with their tails up and fired up as hell. The ABs all over the shop, with so much to fix and stinking of complacency. The coaches using discipline as an excuse when they need to have a hard state in the mirror to realise what has gone wrong. Looks to be like the Wallabies will have an appointment with Lord Bledisloe next Saturday.
Previous AB teams always used to respond well after a loss or a poor performance. This team however has pretty much failed every time they have needed to hit back with a big performance over the last couple of years. See the 3rd Lions test, the game in Pretoria last year even though they sneaked a win, the Ireland game last year and the Wellington test last week. So yeah, I share your pessimism.
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I'm aware of the score
French had shocked ABs in their previous RWC meeting in [redacted] refereed by [redacted]
ABs were under immense pressure and they won They were best team in 2011 RWC
French played well but ABs deserved to win the final
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
@Victor-Meldrew I'd say it's too soon to stop. They've only played this combo twice.
I also think our backline would work better with Crotty in it.
Oh please just stop for your own sake, man. This backline already lacks any punch whatsoever without Laumape. The last thing we need is an older, shitter, more injury prone Goodhue
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@Siam said in Bledisoe #1:
@Crucial I guess all of us remember where we were for that game. The emotional rollercoaster was immense.
In the cold light of day though, jeez our defence to let them back in was a black mark.
But, a win's a win
I was pissed off we let them back in that easily , I didnt enjoy that game the way most did for that reason..... but Im probably a grumpy bastard .
If we are being honest with ourselves, the Aussies had a better side than ours and I know even when we were up that OZ would make some sort of run.
Yep 100 %, and it used to piss me off
I remember well walking back to the car after that fateful day in 1978 when the world tilted on its axis. Took over 30 years for AB dominance over Wannabees to be restored.
I feel much the same today.
