TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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wait, did i just get us flagged again?
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@pakman Yep, players are now conditioned to wait for the ref to tell them to get their hands off the ball in a ruck so know they can push the boundaries.
@taniwharugby I was going to make the same point.
not just now, it's been that way for ages. And in all honesty, for what is in the main a question of timing, i am pretty good with a ref allowing leeway there. For a huge number of those rucks, the player thinks he has rights to the ball, and there is no way he is going to know when he loses that right. So a warning from the ref is fine. Rugby, unlike say league, has a huge amount of penalisable offences that can start as legitimate plays, but change as time progresses. It can't be reffed in black and white all the time and still be the game in its current form.
A year or two ago I'd have agreed. To take Itoje as an example I am almost certain when he goes into many/most rucks he KNOWS he doesn't have rights to the ball, and so long as his attempts aren't too obviously heinous refs will tell him to let go. It has become the latest tactic in slowing the ball down to allow defensive alignment. Allied to pushing the offside line to the limit, we get trench warfare. Yawn.
No question refs should allow some leeway, but if they think a player has misjudged badly get in and penalise hands in the ruck. I know at least one international coach who has spoken to the refereeing body about this.
In the English Premiership final, first half, Itoje was penalised a couple of times for getting it wrong and surprise, surprise the Saracens defence suddenly wasn't a brick wall and we had an entertaining match.
Question of balance, but swung far too far the other way, and now abused as a deliberate tactic. Pendulum needs to swing back a bit. End of rant.
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The amount of “diving in” by attacking team players at the ruck is a blight on the game in my view. Watching live today it is was so noticeable that when a tackler takes a ball carrier to deck and the tackler isn’t even on the wrong side that attacking players are just going in off their feet with plenty of latitude.
I guess rucking would solve that issue.
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@ACT-Crusader said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
The amount of “diving in” by attacking team players at the ruck is a blight on the game in my view. Watching live today it is was so noticeable that when a tackler takes a ball carrier to deck and the tackler isn’t even on the wrong side that attacking players are just going in off their feet with plenty of latitude.
I guess rucking would solve that issue.
It really wouldn't
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@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
Until you get one that means you can't sleep on your back
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
If you actually registered you got rucked at the time it happened... yeah ... that hurt. But only after the game.
Otherwise it was ... oh yeah .. don't remember that... owww now ...
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
Until you get one that means you can't sleep on your back
Only fat people sleep on their back.
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
Until you get one that means you can't sleep on your back
Only fat people sleep on their back.
You calling me fat?
Fair call ...
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
Until you get one that means you can't sleep on your back
Only fat people sleep on their back.
Fake news
Drunk people too
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
Until you get one that means you can't sleep on your back
Only fat people sleep on their back.
Fake news
Drunk people too
Drunk people sleep on your back? Quelle surprise.
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
Until you get one that means you can't sleep on your back
Only fat people sleep on their back.
Fake news
Drunk people too
Drunk people sleep on your back? Quelle surprise.
You spelled jealousy wrong
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@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Yeah, lost count of the number of times I'd catch my back/side in a mirror that night or the next day and notice the stripes, thinking "I don't remember that".
Until you get one that means you can't sleep on your back
Only fat people sleep on their back.
Fake news
Drunk people too
And people with fucked rotator cuffs,
Me
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@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'd cop a rucking to kill a ball.
Have repeatedly. You don't feel it till the next day anyway ....
Aah. We are back to the bring-back-rucking dream
One of the fiercest ruckings I can recall receiving was from my own scrumhalf - who was built like a mini battleship.
I asked him WTF he was thinking? His reply? " You were in the way of me getting the ball"Fun times.
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@Billy-Webb did you get in the way again that game?
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